Rose Chan Alerts Police of Benny Chan’s Sexual Harassment Actions: “I Was Petrified and Didn’t Know What to Do!”
Rose Chan (陳嘉桓) was sexually harassed by Benny Chan (陳浩民) and Joe Ma (馬德鐘) while dining out in Hengdian, China several days ago. Sunday Magazine published photos chronicling the sexual harassment, in which the drunk Benny and Joe forcibly kissed and touched Rose inappropriately at a restaurant, which elicited public shock and outrage. Yesterday at 3 PM, a tired Rose Chan, accompanied by her management company and lawyer, appeared at the crowded press conference, which teemed with over fifty reporters, to personally explain the incident.
At the press conference, Rose’s manager addressed the media, noting that Rose had encountered an unpleasant experience while in Hengdian, China. Rose’s manager noted that sexual harassment was a criminal offense. The entertainment industry was a community where veteran artists were supposed to support younger artists. It should not be a place for scums to exist and make the entertainment industry reek of ill repute. The police will be alerted to punish such unscrupulous perpetrators!
Rose Chan Too Scared to React Amidst Harassment
After her manager spoke, Rose addressed the crowd, “Thank you everyone for your concern. After the incident took place, I was very upset, as were my family, sifu, and management company. While working in Hengdian, I went out to dinner with a group of artists because I possess very good relations with Sammo Hung (洪金寶) and Timmy Hung (洪天明). I trust Timmy Hung very much. On the night of the supper, nothing [out-of-place] happened before Timmy got drunk and the [sexual harassment] occurred after he was imbibed with alcohol. Veterans who treated me as a younger sister suddenly became different people. At the time, I was extremely scared and did not know how to react ….”
Reliving the moment, Rose’s eyes filled with tears. After a brief pause, Rose continued, “My martial arts sifu advised that I be careful under all circumstances. I really did not possess enough awareness. I have to apologize to my sifu and in other regards!”
After Rose’s public statement, her lawyer stated, “We understand that this incident may lack [comprehensive] proof, but we will describe the nature of the incident accordingly to the Hong Kong police. We will also refer the matter to our lawyer in mainland, China and see whether it is necessary to file a police report in ZheJiang Province.”
When reporters asked Rose whether she put up resistance during the sexual harassment, Rose nodded her head. When reporters asked the duration of the harassment, Rose’s lawyer answered on her behalf, that the details of the case cannot be disclosed.
Asked why Rose did not run away from the perpetrators harassing her, Rose noted that she could not react in time. In addition, she was unfamiliar with the place [and circumstances] and could not run away. As to Joe Ma’s claim on his blog that he has already received Rose and her sifu, Sin Kwok Lam’s (冼國林) understanding, and his intention to donate money to the Tung Wah Group of hospitals, Rose manager, said, “Sin Sifu did not notify me!”
Police Report Filed for Sexual Harassment
The press conference lasted for approximately ten minutes before it concluded. After leaving the venue, Rose arrived at the Kwun Tong Police Station to file a sexual harassment report. Rose stayed at the police station for five hours and left at 10:30 PM. Rose left a statement with police and will let the authorities handle the matter onwards. Asked whether she felt embarrassed during the filing of the police report, Rose noted that she only described how she felt at the time.
Rose will return to Hengidan tomorrow to film movie, Laugher Shaking Shaolin <笑功震武林>. Asked whether she will meet with Joe Ma and Benny Chan again, Rose’s manager noted that they were currently working on different filming projects. Asked whether she will meet the two men for dinner again, Rose said, “I will increase my level of awareness from now onwards.”
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Jayne: This is the preliminary news abstract from Rose Chan’s press conference yesterday evening. Should additional relevant details emerge, I will update this article later.
As the photos had shown, Rose was clearly in a state of shock and fear and did not know how to resist Benny Chan and Joe Ma’s physical advances.
I also want to point out that it was not the first time Rose was taken advantage of physically in a public place. At an eyeglass promotional event earlier this year, Alain Mikilitarian also touched Rose’s pubic area inappropriately. Rose seems to be an easy target for men who cannot keep their hands to themselves. Here is the photo from the magazine (lower left corner). http://www.jaynestars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Benny-Chan-Joe-Ma-Rose-Chan3.jpg
Whoa, this is going to be big I think. The title of the article says she is pressing charges against Benny..what about Joe?
Minami,
Rose Chan filed police report over sexual harassment matter in Hong Kong. Despite the title of only mentioning Benny Chan (which I shortened due to editorial liberty), her statement at the police station would include the fact that both Benny Chan and Joe Ma had kissed her.
My assessment is that unfortunately, the gesture of Rose’s management company in having Rose file a police report in Hong Kong is quite weak. The sexual harassment incident did not occur in Hong Kong first of all, so the authorities will likely only keep it as a record and difficult to pursue the matter without involving the mainland authorities. The jurisdiction will be given over to the Zhejiang authorities. At the press conference, Rose’s lawyer even noted that there is a lack of comprehensive evidence and they likely only have Rose’s statement, Timmy’s imbibed account, and possible eye-witness’ accounts of Rose’s “gray” relationship and perhaps sending mixed signals at the restaurant. Anyhow, Rose did not even directly mention Benny and Joe’s names in the press conference, which leads me to believe that the meeting was held to clarify her involvement, that she was not a willing partner in the “sexual harassment.”
Everyone is obviously angry, but how far do they really hope to punish the perpetrators, Benny Chan and Joe Ma? Rose’s lawyer mentioned incomplete evidence and they have not decided whether to file police report in Zhejiang. Filing in Hong Kong seems to be more for the record, as Rose is a Hong Kong celebrity. In addition, Rose was also touched inappropriately in the pubic area at an eyeglass event, yet there did not seem to be a big outcry from her management company. Surely her management company did not file sexual harassment complaints against the designer, Alain Mikilitarian?
I will change the title to “Rose Chan filing Police Report” as “Pressing Charges” makes it sound as if they are intent on suing Benny Chan and Joe Ma. Frankly, I do question whether Rose and management company are satisfied with going through the motions and the public shaming of Benny and Joe.
Jayne, thanks for the clarification…in the later part of the article it was also mentioned that Joe Ma claims he has received understanding from Rose and her ‘si fu’ and it sounds like he is making a donation to TW Hospitals as an act of regret on his part.
It does sound complex, perhaps legally there may not be adequate evidence but in terms of image, I think the damage may have been done but then nowadays it’s hard to say…audiences are a fickle bunch.
Also, I saw that there are even some who defend Joe and Benny and I think I read a passing comment in the other articles that put forth a different point of view i.e. saying that maybe Rose tried to ‘put out’ so to speak but is now claiming her innocence due to the photos.
Minami,
“Joe Ma claims he has received understanding from Rose and her ‘si fu’ and it sounds like he is making a donation to TW Hospitals as an act of regret on his part.”
Joe announced on his blog that he received understanding from Rose and her sifu, Sin Kwok Lam. Rose and Mr. Sin did not acknowledge this had occurred. It is only Joe speaking. In addition, Joe’s announcement on his blog that he donated to hospital funds sounds like a gesture to improve his own public image. Money is easily donated, improving one’s moral values and behavior to match are much more difficult. Can he change his infidel ways and not cheat in spirit and in actions over his wife, Mrs. Ma, while respecting unwilling and innocent women such as Rose? Will Joe truly mend his ways and issue sincere apology to the people who are hurt in this incident the most, Rose and his own wife?
Do Joe’s blog posts ring of true sincerity or only attempt to salvage his public image? Remember, BEFORE Sunday Magazine published their scandalous photos, Joe had denied that he kissed and touched Rose inappropriately, claiming he possessed mental clarity.
Also, Joe stated earlier that he did not wish to comment on Benny’s actions, “I do not wish to comment on other people’s actions.” Joe seemed very quick in drawing the line from his friend, Benny. From the photos, Joe may have been less rough than Benny, but it doesn’t make his actions any better.
Everyone will have their own take on the situation and perhaps measure Joe’s actions and compare their severity in regards to Benny Chan. In spirit and lack of moral integrity, the two men are not too different, acting lewdly and disrespecting their wives and not accepting “no” from an unwilling women. They preyed on a young 19-year-old and surely they realized the situation was tipped in their favor and only acted when “Rose’s guardian” Timmy Hung became very drunk. Joe and Benny waited their opportunity all night. In fact, I say that Benny is the impulsive one acting out his urges, while Joe is the calculative one. Joe let Benny touch Rose inappropriately first, testing her reaction, before Joe went ahead and kissed her second. Joe wanted a share of Rose, but he waited his chance.
That photo of Alan Mikli touching her was gross but to be honest, if I didn’t read the accompanying text (since it said that she was so shocked/ scared), she looked as if she was enjoying it!??? which I think is not very possible. She was embarassed I think but tried to laugh it off is my take.
Jayne, this is interesting..now that I reread my comment above, I should have added ” to the word ‘regret’..I definitely think that Joe was doing it to put it crudely save his own axx. 🙂 I agree with your well thought-out analysis and I forgot that Joe had put forth conflicting messages before and after the photos were released..I guess I had inadvertently focused on Benny as I never liked him in the first place 🙂
I do think that what these 2 did were equally bad and you are quite right to point out that Joe was the more calculative one. Timmy’s message to the public as I recall was not any better and he is really not fit to be her ‘guardian’. I think he said that the thing just got out of hand and that she was naive in not fending off.
I wonder what will happen to these 2 people now seriously…and I wonder if those 2 will publicly face reporters and do a press con about this?
So much for Timmy Hung being Rose’s ‘guardian’. What he said in the other article clearly showing he’s bias to his friends and disregarding what happened to Rose as a small matter. He deserves some smack too.
Since it was also mentioned that Rose has a good relationship with Sammo Hung, now I’m curious as to what Sammo will say or will he even say anything at all.
Curious why file in HK? Because HK is more lax on sexual harassment than China, as a way to just warn these 2 or make a public gesture? Or perhaps HK police accepts any report of any harassment on or by their citizens in anywhere in the world? Of course it can be investigated. All of them are from HK.
Funn,
“Curious why file in HK?”
My theory is that Rose and company are somewhat going through the gestures of filing the police report in Hong Kong. At the press conference, their lawyer mentioned that they lack comprehensive proof, as Rose’s initial reaction (smiles, hugging Joe willingly) may serve as somewhat conflicting to their position that she was unwilling and scared participant. The lawyer said the case will be referred to their legal counsel in China and not certain whether the case will be filed with Zhejiang police. That statement makes me believe Rose’s company is not serious about pursuing legal action to seek justice and punishment against Benny and Joe.
Yes everyone is angry and they are filing report in Hong Kong to prove that Rose was not a willing participant. But I feel this is also to shame Benny and Joe publicly. “You play, you pay.”
It appears that Rose’s sifu, Sin Kwok Lam, and Sammo Hung know each other very well during to martial arts background. Since Timmy Hung is somewhat involved in the incident, maybe Sin Sifu may not wish to blow up this incident further in mainland. Hong Kong is the shaming ground, but there will not be true legal punishment. And for sexual harassment of this nature, exactly what kind of legal punishment will Benny and Joe face?
I pointed out that earlier in the year, Alain Miki also touched Rose inappropriately. Yet her management company did not make a big fuss, despite reporters pointing out that she was taken advantage of due to the man’s “overzealous nature.” This proves that her management company is not interested foremost in seeking justice for Rose, but rather considering the weight and power of the people they are going up against. Perhaps the company also wish to leave Benny and Joe a path in the mainland, but just burn them a little in the process through public humiliation.
Benny and Joe’s public images are already tainted with those pictures and their wild behaviour. Those really make people start wondering about the truth of their past rumours too. Benny’s wife is pregnant, how is she doing now with all these negative responses for Benny’s action?
Most people with some intelligence can see through Joe’s scheme to save his public image.
It will be hard to punish those guys for their actions legally, however hurting their image if it will reduce their market value is a good substiute.
Im my opinion Rose’s party should get Joe to cooperate with them against Benny in that way it will be easier to take action legally.
On the other hand perhaps the Company are satisfied with the press conference and notifying the police.
I think Joe may really jump at the chance if he gets one to save his own image and also since he has clearly drawn the line with Benny.
Wow this is getting interesting. I don’t know how Joe or Benny can save their image now. People need to not to stupid stuff while under the influence (or specifically, public figures shouldn’t) because it may just come back to bite you.
I know this is kind of random and not super relevant, but is the makeup free look a tactic to make her seem more like a victim? This sort of emotional appeal tends to get more people to pity her. (I am definitely on her side already so no need for that). And she does not look so good without makeup on for a 19 year old.
not do stupid stuff*
I agree that the non-made up look is to also paint her more as a victim though I’m not saying that she is not one…just people have stereotypes I guess. I think she is right to take a stand especially with all the incriminating evidence against those two.
yeah, she does look kinda rough with make up and also she is just only 19 but then that was prolly the ‘look’ that they were going for too..
I didn’t recognize her at first without makeup but I think it was the motive of her management to show her ‘purity and naivety’ of a victim for the press conference.
Yes, I also thought the same about the make-up. It’s to make her look more like a victim.
During Theresa Fu’s press con, she also wear less make up and undye her hair.
I really cannot the stupidity of these men! I’m sure there are many more than willing parties who will take a liking to their (gross)?! advances but they had to treat an unwilling 19 year old in this gross manner.
damn she doesn’t look good without her make up!
Really? I think she still looks good. She looks like what a normal teen (without heavy make-up and fake eyelashes) should look. She has nice features.
She does not look like a teen in the sans make up pictures. Look like someone in her 20s.
Make up really can do wonders. I’ve seen her in ‘Love Is The Only Answer’ and she looks nothing like Linda. But, now, without make up, she does look like Linda.
I agree. She looks like shes in her 20s
ok, 20s. Regardless, one can still tell she is/ can be good-looking and has nice features. No resemblance of Linda Chung.
She does resemble Linda in her pics with glasses.
But seriously the girl was being attacked by beasts and all you care about is how she looks without makeup. The beasts sure didn’t mind, LOL
BTW I do agree with you that Linda looks better…
Linda has sweeter features. Rose has sharper and stronger features
I can’t really tell who looks better since I think both also great looking heheh..Linda ofcourse have this sweet look while Rose looks not bad w/o makeup.
but, back to the topic..I hope Benny and Joe will be punished and sued appropriately… for their beastly action.
She looks totally different and ugly without make up!!!! I hate when this happens (people looking totally diff without make up). To me, it makes me feel like the person is so fake.
I’m not condoning what the men did but it seems like Rose’s management company is taking advantage of the incident and turning it into a publicity stunt. It would’ve been more logical for her to file the police report first and then hold a press con (or preferably not at all and instead release a public statement). Effectively, her entourage had the press following her around all day.
Actually, I’m glad they are turning this into a “public stunt”. Why not? Benny Chan and Joe Ma’s apologies were pathetic! They both shrugged it off as if it wasn’t a big deal. Sexual Harassment IS a big deal. These people are in the entertainment industry – keeping it low-key will only benefit her perpetrators. Since likely charges won’t be laid, the best way for Rose Chan to stand up for herself is to make the public aware thus, indirectly or directly saying: “Don’t ever take advantage of me again”. This is not the first time Rose Chan has been taken advantage of, I am glad she has a strong support from her management company. Hopefully, this will also caution others and help those who may have similar experience as a young artist. Even though charges may not be laid but the images of Benny Chan and Joe Ma are tarnished. Perhaps BC and JM will re-write their apology letter; one that actually sounds sincere.
Them making this big is good because now the public knows how ham sup Benny and Joe are beneath their faces
jayne do you have the article about that designer touching rose?
Gigi,
There is no full-length article about Alain Miki touching Rose inappropriately, aside from the little magazine blurb in the image link below:
http://www.jaynestars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Benny-Chan-Joe-Ma-Rose-Chan3.jpg
The paragraph just said that the designer was overzealous and Rose was shocked and embarrassed by his overtures. But the gall of the man touching such a sensitive area and posing as if it were fun for a photo!!
That designer was actually a great pervert! He should be sued..thinking asian artist could be sexually harrassed in such way.
I was shocked to see Rose Chan without makeup! Such a huge difference. People compare her to Linda Chung, i dont think she is anywhere near the league….
Perhaps someone can find a 19 year old Linda without makeup and then we can compare if they look the same or not hehe 😀
M,
I dont think Rose is that bad looking…Have u seen Linda w/o makeup yet? maybe u’ll be shocked later if you ever get to see one..
i think linda still looks good without makeup.
http://www.pclady.com.cn/beauty/sszr/0412/pic/20041201cd14.jpg
Thanks, I saw it now..
Actually I’m not an anti linda fan but was just trying to say “beauty is in the eyes of the beholder” so different ppl have different saying about other beauty..
to me, Rose looks is okay w/o makeup but to some, she looks haggard and ugly
I can say the same thing to LInda but since I kinda like her so i won’t say she’s ugly looking
I don’t think that is a sans makeup picture. Maybe light make up. Linda has her hair nicely done and base the the straps, her clothes also seem to be nice one. It’s not logical that she dress this way and not put on make up.
Linda and Rose look not resemble with light makeup.
Rose resembles Linda even less with make up. I remember watching ‘Love Is The Only Answer’ looking for a girl who looks like Linda since I know Rose Chan is in the movie. I ended up not finding anyone. Only after I search Rose Chan’s pictures in google I know who she plays in the movie.
i think theres a no makeup linda in the news of her and lawyer boyfriend but its when shes 27 and not same age as Rose
please please do not compare this Rose Chan with Linda!! She is no way close to Linda, in terms of personality & looks!! Linda certainly looks much better even without make up! Really an insult to Linda to say they have similarities!!
Good that they make it big. So next time some ham sap lou in entertainment circle will think twice before they harasses girls.
I don’t condone the behaviors of Benny Chan and Joe Ma. But what is this girl thinking. Why is she out with the whole company of men older or twice her age and there isn’t any female present.
Agree to go out with a whole bunches of men and no male/female relatives or friend present is invited for trouble especially in the present of alcohol.
She should not be too trustful anyone beside family and close friend. Take this incident as a lesson for young girls.
Hope she feels better soon 🙂
I thought there were a lot of people present, amongst them other females?
there was a woman present..in fact she was just cropped off in most photos – I will try to find that link again…that woman was sitting right next to Joe Ma while Benny was harassing Rose and that woman looked very complacent..not sure if she was also intoxicated.
I agree. I have to say, reading more and more of the news, I’m reacting more against Rose than Benny and Joe.
Honestly, I think everyone knows how “good” Joe and Benny’s reputations are in the industry. As a girl, working abroad, Rose and her management company should’ve had more precautions – whether to the team of males, or in general.
There’s no one better than oneself to protect yourself. Benny and Joe are wrong. But at the same time, why didn’t Rose react? If you felt uncomfortable, leave! She has a martial arts background, couldn’t she have done more for herself instead of just sitting there and letting the two guys go about?
At the same time, I’m also skeptical about the situation. Its all he said, she said, but like the article mentions, there were definetely other people on scene. The fact that NO ONE stepped up and stopped the two guys??? Really??
Wow! Instead of educating the people to have a some decency towards other human being, one is now blaming me the victim for hanging out with a group of men.
So, should the society segregate the men and women instead of teaching the men to respect the women? Oh! Reading this type of comments is heart breaking. Why do the victims always get blamed?
JN,
She went out with these “older” veteran actors because she’s good friend with Timmy and trusted everyone will be fine..
but right after timmy got so drunk and passed out, these veteran actors just turned from a friendly veteran senior into some beastly pervert..that’s how the story goes..
JN,
“Why is she out with the whole company of men older or twice her age and there isn’t any female present.”
Rose said she knew Sammo Hung and Timmy Hung very well due to her martial arts training background. She said she trusted Timmy a lot and things were fine until he got drunk. It’s like going out with your elder brother and his group of friends.
SUPPORT ROSE CHAN. HOPE TO BE STRONG
“As to Joe Ma’s claim on his blog that he has already received Rose and her sifu, Sin Kwok Lam’s (冼國林) understanding, and his intention to donate money to the Tung Wah Group of hospitals, Rose manager, said, “Sin Sifu did not notify me!” “
What has sexually harassing a young girl got to do with charity?
Kidd,
“What has sexually harassing a young girl got to do with charity?”
Exactly, nothing, which is why Wong Jing called Joe Ma “despicable” in trying to deflect his involvement in the harassment. Joe was trying to appear generous in donating to the hospital, and perhaps show his good side.
Too bad the audience is not naive! haha
Now to those who said Edison Chen is the biggest bastard in Asia, hands up please? There are a lot of male species who likes to pretend to be drunk and tried to brush off the sexual harassment! Benny Chan and Joe Ma obviously screwed themselves this time.
Edison didnt use force for his partners lol. Theyre all willing including young Cammy.
JustMi,
“Now to those who said Edison Chen is the biggest bastard in Asia, hands up please?”
The biggest things going against Edison:
1. Likes young girls, age 16
2. Has a camera fetish and may embarrass his ex-girlfriends through accidental photo exposure. When you get nude before Edison, you may get nude before the entire world.
3. May have cheating tendency
4. Extremely sexually driven; normal sex may not satisfy him. Aside from camera and lingerie fetish, what will be next? S&M? Whipping?
5. Prefers meet ups in his bedroom, may never take girlfriend outside for proper date. A date may mean “naked in bed.”
The biggest things going against Joe and Benny:
1. Likes young girls, age 19
2. Married, but flirts and touch women sexually other than own wives
3. Cling to “good man” image by professing innocence, while caught lying (hypocrite, liar)
4. Care more about own self-image than friendship in time of scandal
5. Does not mind sharing a woman as long as each get share of kiss & gropes
6. Unable to control sexual urges in public space, will grope like uncontrollable fraternity boys while claiming it’s part of the fun. Play time may mean “Dirty Truth or Dare”
Which qualities are worse? Edison may be unlikeable by many standards, but he doesn’t seem to make excuses for his behavior. Yes, he has hurt and embarrassed women in the worse way. But they seem willing participants.
Now, Benny and Joe just seem full of excuses. And they are married, with Benny about to become a father. The public eye does nothing to deter them.
Omg Jayne those comparison make Joe and Benny filthier and I never thought any HK celeb can feel filthier than Edison before
Lol,
“Omg Jayne those comparison make Joe and Benny filthier and I never thought any HK celeb can feel filthier than Edison before”
All the men involved appear to be cheaters and prefer girls in somewhat, similar age range. It depends which you find to be more repulsive. An obvious cheat (makes no apologies) or a cheat masquerading as a nice guy? I find the latter to be much more dangerous, because they are hooking the girls based on a somewhat false image and deception.
Edison may not promise true love or even claim to be a good guy, as he doesn’t do any false advertising. A relationship with him is purely sexual and “fun” if you consider this physical exploration to be fun. And sleeping with Edison will guarantee quick fame.
Those two are more repulsive to me considering they are married and one have a pregnant wife at home, faking themselves like a good man, grab young girls by force, lied to the world before evidence come out. Theyre dangerous!
I’m waiting for Joe Nieh to be added to the list.
Or is it Joe Ngai?
Never had any good thoughts for Edison, but you guys are right. An obvious cheater is better than a deceptive one. Edison is actually not that bad in this sense. And I can’t believe I have something positive to say for this guy for once, lol.
ROFL you guys make sense! Edison might be a scumbag and sex addict but he’s not hiding his passion! Unlike some sneaky senior actors here
I find the act of Joe Ma donating money to the hospitals after this incident to be ridiculous. Does it somehow make it ok?
Pay & you can have your way with young stars?
Eww! Now I know which eyeglass brand I should boycott. Don’t buy Mikli.
Sorry to say that, but this one makes me doubt Rose more.
First, if she was really scared, in the beginning, ok, but after that, with her Wing Chun skill, Joe and Benny won’t be beat to pieces? If anyone learn Kungfu, they will have a natural reaction whenever they are being attacked. Why Rose seems not to be happy after that?
Second, why Miss Rose still happily upload the dinner with Joe and Benny to her weibo on 19? If she is truly angry, she won’t do such thing.
Third, she showed face to the hidden camera with straight face to let ppl see very clear the action and her expression.
BTW, who tell Joe and Benny to love to “play”, especially Benny when his wife is going to give birth.
Men always be men…that’s their nature for being H0rny… (dedicated to your last statement.. on Benny & JOe being playful)
If they are not playful, they will be said to be useless?
“BTW, who tell Joe and Benny to love to “play”, especially Benny when his wife is going to give birth.”
Gonna be a father but still out groping and molesting teenage girls
LOL, her Wing Chun skills can prolly be described as “flower fists” which might look good on film but are totally useless against porky hands, hehe.
Are you serious :P?
Yes, her flower fists are no match for benny’s “drunken fists”. His groping moves were so fast, the other people at the table “apparently” didn’t see anything.
JOsie oh Josie..
That’s the best quote of today..
Flower fist cant be compared with Benny’s drunken fist HAHAHAHA!
Well he was the monkey king even if pirated version. And monkey king can do one sommersault and cover how many thousands of miles so I can imagine Benny’s lightning fast squeeze squeeze touch touch hands.
That was what Simon Yam commented..haha. A wing chun girl’s power can’t compare to a Monkey King..Oh Simon Yam 😛
Benny and Joe might be “ham sup lo”, but Rose and her Sifu aren’t totally “clueless angelic victim” either? 😛
One hand can’t clap can be used this time.
Clueless angelic victim, haha I like this!
Haha. Hrm but I think “innocent little girl” should be better, since every news are explicitly or implicitly defining her as a “little girl”.
First off, I deplore sexual harassment, and married men acting inappropriately with the females especially young teenager girls. And from the pictures Benny seems to be doing just that. However, I’m not sure about Joe’s action toward Rose as being sexual harassment.
Second, Rose said that she often went out with her colleagues & other people for dinners therefore know each other quite well – does that social acquaintance include Benny and Joe, too, hence the men being overly comfortable with her?
Third, like others have pointed out, Rose posted the happy dinner on weibo and @ both men AFTER the incident.
Fourth, I’m not defending anybody here or even playing the devil’s advocate, just candidly stating my view on this matter because it is truly a very serious accusation. Btw, I don’t know much about these people.
From my reviewing of pix.
http://imageshack.us/f/198/7e3e6709c93d70cfeeee754.jpg/
From my repeated reviewing of pix, to me, Joe was just hugging Rose, whether to comfort her or to take advantage of her, that is up to interpretation. But the thing is, he wasn’t kissing her despite the suggestive printed 啜啜 (kissing sound) words. The pictures was a sequence of Joe holding her head onto his shoulder as if hugging her- but looks like kissing her before of camera angle – like how tvb did their kissing scenes in the past.
From my reading, this incident apparently started when Joe leaned over to Rose jesting that they should make BC eat the sheep’s whip. So I guess that’s what she did, trying to feed the ‘thingy’ to Ben. But BC turned the table on her by wrestling that thingy from her hand and tried to feed it to her instead. He managed to put it into her mouth, and Rose so grossed out proceeded to spit it out but BC covered her mouth with one hand to prevent her from doing that, and with the other hand reached down to hold down her hand, (vs groping her down there as reported.) To those at the table, these two were just goofing around, never thinking twice about it.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/35a85edf8db1cb13fc4de35.jpg/
The distressed, pleading look from Rose at Joe was probably the moment she was gagging on that ‘thingy’. And that picture that seems so much like BC kissing Rose on the mouth, looking at it carefully, it seems to me that BC might be actually force feeding that thingy to Rose (his hand was in the way). How long did this ‘molesting’ lasted, Rose did not say when asked. In fact, she pretty much did not say anything at all about whole incident but that some people behaved inappropriately toward her at the dinner.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/d62a6059252dd42a402ddee.jpg/
The others told BC to cut it out when they realized he was getting overboard with his rough handling of Rose. Seeing Rose’s distress, Joe gave her a hug to comfort her. (No kissing as far as I can see from the pix)
From her next day (after incident happen) upload of their dinner, she seemed ok as she @BC and @ Joe on weibo.
I guess when the pictures came out, that’s when the shit hits the fan with her sifu, whom probably did not know about it until then. Because in the first news report, he did say he did have the details yet but will get to the bottom of the matter. So was it a truth and dare that turned rough on Rose or men molesting a teenager?
Claimine,
You raised a couple of interesting points. You asked whether Joe Ma had indeed kissed Rose Chan. Yes he did, as indicated in this photo:
http://www.jaynestars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Benny-Chan-Joe-Ma-Rose-Chan3.jpg
The magazine claims that Joe kissed Rose after Benny molested her. It would be difficult to assess given that it is hard to determine the true sequence in events. Once the photos broke out, Joe did not deny that he never kissed Rose. Instead he apologized that his method of consoling her led to public misunderstanding.
Your postulation that Rose’s tortured expressions were due to being force fed sheep whip. It likely started with that. However if that was the main reason for her obvious discomfort and and Benny did not in fact touch her inappropriately (as the photos are cut off, but he does look as if he was groping her below), then why did Benny not outright say that he was only force feeding her sheep whip? Also, Benny’s manager said that his wife had already forgiven him, since he did not intentionally harass Rose. Benny’s manager also asked him to deeply reflect upon the matter. Benny’s manager statement indicate that more advanced touching had occurred rather than simply kissing and feeding of the sheep whip.
Regarding Rose’s posting of the group dinner, which included Benny and Joe, did she post it AFTER or BEFORE the molesting occurred? I remember you raised this quesiton before and I thought someone replied that Rose posted the photo before the incident. Did she post it through her smart phone right after the group dinner took place, before the harassment? On that night, the group dinner occurred, then karaoke, then the BBQ supper. It was at the BBQ supper that the harassment occurred.
Then there is another issue as to whether why Rose would not delete the group dinner photo off her blog after the incident occurred, since she must be “disgusted” by Benny and Joe’s behavior. Perhaps her PR advised her not to make any modifications to her blog, otherwise it would appear as if there was something to hide or ulterior motive.
People do have a tendency to side with women in a sexual harassment claim. There are inconsistencies in Rose’s photos at the BBQ event, such as her apparent willingness to hug and smile with Joe Ma. I can only postulate that she may be charmed and somewhat attracted to Joe, but her reaction to Benny Chan is the oppposite.
corrections to my post:
but looks like kissing her because of camera angle
@Jayne: If they both admitted their wrongdoings per your latest news report, who am I to say otherwise. But wrongdoing may not mean molestation but inappropriate behaviors toward Rose,which they were very much guilty of.
But for academic discussion just based on on my previous post and your reply from our viewing of the pictures:
To me, I know what reports claimed,what their 啜啜 but that picture did not show me that Joe Ma actually kissed Rose Chan, only a semblance – like how tvb characters 借位 kissing scene.
Rose posted that entry on the 19th,11/19日15:33, the day after the dinner which was 11/18 22:04.
Like I say if both men have admitted their guilt then I’ve nothing else to say on this matter except serve them right!
@Jayne: Joe published a public notice.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1295241982
Maybe you can translate the complete announcement.
Gist: He apologizes for causing distress to Miss Rose Chan but denies molesting her. He reserves the right to seek legal action for slander and libel of his name by Oriental Daily.
As that he did not in anyway molested Miss Chan or sexually assaulted her. Since apparently the matter is now in the police’s hands, he will not make any further comments on this matter.
I still maintain my viewpoint that per the pictures printed, I don’t believe that Joe molested Rose. Imo, that was a hug to comfort her. No actual kissing.
rephrase:
I still maintain my viewpoint that per the pictures printed, I’m not convinced by them as proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe molested Rose with his hug.
Claimine,
“I still maintain my viewpoint that per the pictures printed, I’m not convinced by them as proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe molested Rose with his hug.”
Based on the photos, Rose did seem more receptive towards Joe Ma. Now it’s a question of whether Joe kissed Rose on the lips and how willing she was at the time. It seems to be a dangerous area no one seems willing to tread. From my perspective, the photo seems as if they are kissing, due to the proximity of their faces.
In Joe’s first response to the media (before release of photos), he said he did not kiss Rose. After the photos, the subject of whether he kissed or not was not mentioned, which makes me feel that it is almost guilty by admission. He may not have groped, but did he kiss her?
In Joe’s public statement, he maintained that he did not “violate or sexually harass” her. Based on the photos, he did not seem to be forcing himself on Rose. From a legal perspective, perhaps Joe did not “violate or sexually harass” Rose. But did he take advantage of the situation to kiss her (perhaps with or without the intent of comforting her)? The answer is a little unclear and here lies the “gray” area. You may argue that if Benny had harassed Rose, she was already emotionally fearful. She was disoriented and Joe may have taken advantage of the situation to kiss her (if such kiss had occurred).
Joe’s public statement was reviewed by his lawyer without a doubt. Nowhere in the statement did it say he did NOT kiss Rose, which also leads me to believe that they kissed on the lips, thus the gray area again. If the public statement’s intention to prevent tabloids from slandering Joe is to stop calling him a sexual harasser and protect his reputation, his statement accomplishes that. But the statement only stated that what had occurred was without force, thus did not violate and was NOT of harassing degree. Rose’s mixed signals, smiling and somewhat calm expression may indicate a higher degree of trust in Joe than Benny.
Whether Joe took advantage or not is another matter. Would you consider a 40 something man kissing a 19-year-old woman, while she was under emotional distress, to be taking advantage? Due to Joe’s status as a veteran actor and much older than her, he is superior in “power” and Rose’s weakened emotional state.
According to Rose’s press conference, she was so scared she could not move. She did not attribute in name as to what Benny and Joe specifically did. IMO, Rose sent very mixed signals during that dinner, especially towards Joe Ma. Had she willing kissed Joe, what would people think since she willingly kissed a married man and may be attracted to one? Thus the kiss between Joe and Rose is a “gray” area that no one wishes to talk about. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t, thus omitted out of Joe’s public statement, which makes me believe it did occur.
Joe also maintained that he has reached out to Rose Chan and Sin Kwok Lam to express his apology and received their understanding. Perhaps Joe did get their understanding, especially if Rose had willingly kissed Joe Ma. But Rose and company do not wish to publicly acknowledge whether they did express their understanding, as this would raise too many questions. Sin Sifu was also kinder when speaking about Joe Ma, “I had a few meals with Joe before and he addressed me Sifu,” without commenting on Joe taking advantage of Rose that night. On the other hand, Sin Sifu spoke of Benny in this way sarcastically, “Who is Benny Chan? I do not know who Benny Chan is!”
I’m just trying to logically assess the situation based on the photos, the artists’ responses, and statements.
Claimine,
As for the timing of the posting of Rose’s photos, I’m perplexed why she would post the group dinner photo after the harassment incident.
Rose is sending some mixed signals, which is why her lawyer stated they lack “incomprehensive” evidence and the filing of the police report in Hong Kong was more of a gesture than true way to seek justice.
I think sexual harassment cases are very difficult to prove. There may not have been explicit intent on the harasser, but harassment may occur even without the harasser’s explicit intent. This questioning of intent is important in Benny and Joe’s conduct at the BBQ dinner. Was Benny’s intent to play, humiliate (through groping) Rose while forcing her to eat sheep whip? Was Benny’s intent on kissing and groping to satisfy his lust?
What is Joe Ma’s intent? To comfort through kissing? To kiss Rose because he was lusting to do so, thus take advantage of her disoriented state?
Finally, did Rose drink any alcohol? It was noted that she only ordered juice, but was she truly alcohol-free all night? Did she send those mixed signals because she drank a little liquor herself?
What was the mentality of the victim or recipient of the harasser’s actions at the time? Some readers are questioning how willing Rose was towards Benny and Joe because she did not use her Wing Chun skills on them. Some readers maintain that Rose was willing with Joe, but not with Benny. Some readers said it was all a trap and she was very willing in intent to “endure the harassment” while pretending she wasn’t, so that tabloids can get their juicy photos.
I see mixed signals from Rose and believe that they reflect her mixed feelings at the time. However, I also believe that both Benny and Joe took advantage of Rose given her age, situation, and emotional distress.
Jayne: Yes, the very gray area is in whether we think Joe kissed Rose or not. I don’t, you do, therein lies our split in opinion. If Joe kissed Rose then I’m with you on your analysis of the situation, and Joe is indeed despicable. But I see Joe’s hug as someone comforting another without undue impropriety.
But let agree to just disagree until further development in this gray matter.
I don’t think Rose was a willing victim at all. I think the situation got way over her head, and she didn’t know how to deal with it.
I’m with clamine on the photo issue. The photos did not prove sufficiently that Joe kissed Rose. But, Joe’s response to the photo show’s his guilt. If he’s not guilty, why he donate to charity and stuff?
But, it’s indeed a gray area between Joe and Rose because of Rose’s smiling expression.
As for the speculation of a trap. To set a trap, the trapper has to predict how the trappee will act in a certain situation. It’s kinda hard to trap if it’s an isolated incident. If it’s a trap, that means, Benny and Joe have acted this way before. Only that way, the trapper can know how Joe and Benny will act have a drink or two and set a trap accordingly.
Yes, it seems that not the first time Joe and Benny do such thing.
I see the photos and I see 2 things;
1. Joe kissed her and she was smiling – probably this was what happened at first
2. Benny came over and GROPED her and then KISSED her and I think this was what happened next and she looked distressed. Kissing and kissing/groping are 2 very different acts. Groping is beyond playful.
I find the pictures rather clear so I don’t see how anyone can say Joe did not kiss Rose.
Now if it was the other way around, benny kissed and groped her and she didn’t like and then joe kissed her and she liked, then maybe that is mixed single. Someone told me just because she likes Joe kissing her doesn’t mean she allows benny to kiss and grope her.
Which is a valid point.
But girls, always protect yourself. She should have slapped Benny, that may wake him up from his stupidity.
kidd, about Joe donating to charity and stuff — reports said Joe wrote this in his blog. Anyone has link to that specific blog entry? Per tvb baidu, Joe’s sina weibo has been closed way before this incident. Both his sina blog and his tvb blog are inactive, so where did Joe post that comment, if he did indeed?
@Jayne: For you, re Joe’s usage of “violation” and “sexual harassment”, though imo encompassed kissing, is not explicitly conclusive that he did not kiss Rose. Fair enough! Conversely, for me, the pictures without showing lips-locking though suggestive are similarly not explicitly conclusive of them kissing.
Somehow I feel saddened by this incident for everybody involved. What was supposed to be a night of fun and friendship unexpectedly turned into this. Broken hearts of loved ones, broken innocence and trust, broken friendship, damaged careers that they have worked so hard to build but so easily destroyed.
By the way, this will be a valuable lesson to Benny and Joe. Dear Mr Chan and Mr Ma, stop being a “ham sup lo” who takes advantage of women and please take care of your own family.
Known Joe Ma to be a player since the story broke of his infidelities several years ago. But I did not expect Benny to be one and the same as well. Somebody here did mention about Benny’s past rumours. Can anyone clarify on that? Thanks in advance.
Benny is known as a player way before Joe. He has a long list of gfs and also be known as the one who twisted hearts of girls.
Charmaine is one of the name on Benny’s List
Don’t trust this girl 100 percent. She probably planned it to gain publicity.
I agree with you, Cynthia… I mean why doesn’t DARE cry/complain when she was publicly molested as well as photographed a few months back, by a famous designer? Perhaps the designer has too many powerful connections, unlike these two numbskulls, for her to file a police complaint. D:
Wow!! So much to discuss on this topic! As I have mentioned before, if the girl did not behave in a sociable and loose way, the guys will not behave this way. One hand doesn’t clap at all. If you are the lady, you could easily push the guy away especially when they are drunk. You can just walked out of the restaurant. So, too bad that these two stupid men were caught in pictures! Therefore, they are unable to say anything but apologise cos they are drunk, they are not even sober to know what is happening.
In this incident, the 2 guys will definitely suffer in reputation cos she is a woman and worst she is now claiming ignorance. Well, women are always victims when these kind of pictures are published. But no one knows what is the truth! I find that she is really good in gaining publicity. Never like her!!
Dunno why TVB is giving her so much opportunities!!
She isn’t TVB girl.
Rose press con video. Judge for yourself the believably of her words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TE62h_As7g
Can be seen that her statement is very carefully worded and arranged. Her manager and lawyer must have thought it out very carefully.
I can’t stand her manager. What that woman said is so exaggerated.
Kidd,
I agree that Rose’s press statement was very carefully worded. That is because from the photos, Rose is sending mixed signals. To what extent was Rose an innocent and victim of harassment and to what extent was she a willing participant? And with whom? There are certainly gray areas and while Rose may not be as innocent as initial news reports suggest, I do think she was unwilling under Benny’s groping, which would classify a portion of the incident as harassment.
did her management purposely ask rose to not wear any makeup to look like she is worn down? she looked like she got raped instead of being harassed. i’m sorry just saying. she should know her own limits as well. if you don’t like something say something. she never learn this before?