Love For Their Sons Lead Nicholas Tse And Cecilia Cheung To Decide On Joint Custody?
The “Feng Chi” custody battle has yet to be finalized, however Nicholas, in order to be able to give a healthy life to his sons, has reportedly decided to share the custody with Cecilia Cheung. However, the reported “Feng Chi” meeting on Friday, lasted for 90 minutes, and according to inside sources, Cecilia only said three sentences to him during the meeting.
The “Feng Chi” divorce seems inevitable, however, the issue of custody is what both Nicholas and Cecilia are concerned about the most.According to reliable sources, Nicholas asked Cecilia to share a joint custody of the kids so that Lucas and Quintus can grow up in a healthy environemnt and he also believes that if the two kids can live together with Cecilia in the future, then that would be the best for all of them. Nicholas said that this proposal has many benefits, and by avoiding to get to the court, even when they are divorced, they can communicate with each other to make proper decisions and agreements about the future of their two sons, their studies as well as living arrangements which are very important. However, reportedly the two sides did not negotiate on these arrangements and did not reach a compromise.
The unpleasant meeting to discuss for divorce
Even though it was expected that Nicholas’ meeting with Cecilia would end up to turn into a fight with both of them shouting at each other, reportedly it was a very quiet meeting, which lasted for 90 minutes with Cecilia only saying three sentences to Nicholas. When Nicholas entered the apartment, she said “Oh you returned!” , after a few seconds, she said: “Go play with your sons!”
When Nicholas was leaving, her last sentence to him was “When you want to see the sons, “give me a call”! (let me know!)” Through this dialogue they did not reach an agreement about the divorce arrangements.
After resting for a night, Nicholas left his apartment on Saturday morning at around 7am to film his advertisment. When he was approached by reporters, he smiled. Asked if he had rested last night and how his mood was he said “I rested well!”. When he arrived at the filming location, reporters once again aprroached him and asked him “what had happened”. Nicholas did not respond and just shook his head to indicate his annoyance.
When Nicholas started filming, his friend Philip Ng also appeared. Nicholas mood was quite good and he kept laughing and talking with Phillip while they also practised Wing Chun Chi Sau. Nicholas was also seen smoking. However, soon after, Nicholas started filming, wearing a cool leather jacket. He filmed more than ten takes before Nicholas and Philip Ng headed to the kiosks to rest and play martial arts. Later on he continued filming.
Miss China: I still don’t believe that the two of them have actually met and discussed about their divorce’s details. The reason I don’t believe that, is because Cecilia was at Ningbo on Friday, unless my memory tricked me and she actually left for China later on…What do you think?
I believe they did. I also believe there was hardly any negotiation. He wants to negotiates, she is using the wait and see approach. Joint custody looks good but I doubt Cecilia will agree. I think her ultimate is to reconcile.
@Miss China:
“When Nicholas was leaving, her last sentence to him was “When you want to see the sons, “give me a slap”! (let me know!)”
Kindly pardon me please but could it be “When you want to see the sons, give me a call?” and not “slap”?
Or maybe is there some kind of Cantonese slang that I don’t get here? If so, kindly excuse me for my ignorance please! 😀
Thank you very much for translating this article and the previous one on Nicholas Tse’s marriage, you must have spent much time and effort in translating them! 😀
Wow, judging from this report, it seemed like Nicholas really wanted “out” of this marriage especially since he had already planned the optimal arrangement for the kids’ custody, should he and Cecilia ever divorce.
I wa snot sure about how to translate this part…I hope it won’t create much discomfort to the readers. 😀
Well, I read again this part, and yeah it should be “call me”. After all that should be the final translation. Thanks for bringing it up. 😀 I have given in six articles in a small period of time, I think that is why my head got a little confused hehe 😀
@Miss China:
Wow, haha, are you a superwoman? Translating six articles at one go! My goodness, I can only translate maximum two articles at one go and my eyes will feel exhausted after that. It must be terribly straining to translate six articles! Kudos to you! 😀
And don’t worry, it’s really okay to make mistakes haha, I myself make even more grammar mistakes when I translate too! It’s normal for humans to err lahs! 😀
When Nicholas was leaving, her last sentence to him was “When you want to see the sons, “give me a slap”! (let me know!)”
Ah K, I am glad you brought this up because I am sure that I read somewhere that Cecilia said “give me a call”.
@Lacey:
Yupp, I felt it had a strange vibe to it too but we must pardon @Miss China lahs, she was just too tired (after translating six articles) and anxious to give us her first-hand translation of the entertainment news so she kind of overlooked it ;D
I am not being hard on Miss China and I do appreciate Miss China’s translations because I certainly cannot do it myself. It’s just that I was confused by the word “slap” that’s all.
@Lacey:
Hi dear, is there some kind of misunderstanding? I’m sure it was evident that you just wanted to clarify the “slap” part with good intentions! 😀
But in any case, I sincerely apologize if my previous comment caused any misunderstanding about you ever being hard on @Miss China! 😀
No need to apologize, everything is cool. I wasn’t looking for an apology. :0)
I just started thinking that even if Nic and Ceci were to divorce, their personalities will not make it easier for their future spouses if they were to marry other people. Nic goes into a silent mode when he’s angry–I don’t think any females can handle that kind of treatment. Ceci, on the other hand, explodes like a mad woman–I don’t think any men can handle that kind of attitude.
Oh, I’m sure they’ll find new partners in the future because people in the entertainment industry have short-lived memories….. Nic will eventually find another sleazy chick like Cecilia, because even though he is a reputable actor, he still is unsophisticated when it comes to intellectual and character traits so the decent girls won’t want him. As for Cecilia, there will always be more guys like Edison who only wants her to give them kinky sexx and she will be more than willing once this thing is over. This is her character and it will never change……….Just let them seal the divorce and get on with their lives……it’s starting to get annoying ot see them in the news everynight.
I’ve no doubt with NIc’s ability to find another woman fast but Cecilia will not be on the same weight as Nic though. Call me old fashion, to me, once a woman like Cecilia had been thru marriage and with kids. It will be pretty hard for her to find a really decent man who can accept her past plus her Ceaserean cut whenever they’re into sex. Guys like Edison might not mind having kinky and one night stand with woman like Cecilia but most men are still typical in choosing their sex partner with no flaws on their body to enjoy this night session.
I myself had a ceaserean cut on my lower my body for having my baby last year and the cut was so deep, it leaves a fine “U” line on the lower part of my stomach. I don’t find that pretty at all and I’m not sure how many “cuts” Cecilia has got to got the lovely boys? 2? so my point, a married woman with kids will have harder time trying to find a man who won’t mind marrying her and also accept her body.
She’s a celeb she’ll get a tummy tuck. She’ll find another man but maybe she’ll focus on her kids first. I would if I were her. I don’t think they should divorce at all. They’ve once love eachother to death and they had two kids. Marriage, any sort of relationships has ups and downs it depends on how strong that person is. They really should seek proffesional help to get through tough times like this. But if they are divorce I think Nick will be the one who will find someone new first.
Hi, it’s not easy for Nic to face the media and public though for having a wife who has no shame to initiate the interest to took pic with Edison. Maybe because you’re a female, hence you don’t feel the intense pressure and views from others to a Husband. I’m not saying I fully understand how a husband think but all I know is every Husbands would feel embarrassed when their ego/pride is challenged. Nic would question himself what’s the point of protecting Cecilia when herself doesn’t treasure it and still offer herself to this scumbag Edison? that’s just like Opposite to what Nic has been trying to Protect Cecilia over, isn’t it?
Public will views Nic as someone who wear “green hat” for having an Adultery Wife although Cecilia didn’t do anything bad with Edison on the plane as claimed by the media but still Nic’s pride is damaged by his wife for going against Nic’s original plan that’s to protect her image and herself.
If Nic is to reconcile with Cecilia, many will laugh at Nic for being a dump man who can accept his own wife to have fun with her adultery partner and Nic will become the joke of the town! All those hardships to earned the title of Movies’ king will wasted just because of Cecilia. Therefore, I believe Nic really had enough of Cecilia’s sultry behaviour and wanted out of this relationship soonest possible in a very angry manner though.
Adultery partner? Edison is not the adultery partner. The sex scandal pictures took place in 2003. Even if Nic were able to get married to another woman, I doubt the marriage will last because of his ways of dealing with problems. Like I said, prolonged silent treatment is the worst way to deal with problems, and it will only exacerbate the problem until the partner wants out.
I know the incident with Edison happened before they got married but Public won’t view Ceci and Edison’s meeting as simple as normal friends especially when Cecilia was the one who took the initiative to ask to change seat so she can sits next to Edison. Public will view her someone who will commit “adultery” behind Nic’s back.
REALLY? Cecilia ask to change seat so she can sit next to Edison? Did Cecilia ever say why? I means they movie stars, they can have first class sit anywhere, why she wants to purposely sit next to Edison?
@LeilaFan,
Yes, it was Cecilia who requested to sit next to Edison on the plane. My guessing is that sparks Nic to laid out the Divorce idea.
Why the heck she do that? Stupid move, especially when she and Edison have tons of sex photos. In fact I just came across a couple pictures last night when I search Cecilia news up, and it not very good looking.
Did she ever say why she request to seat next to Edison? Not a good move Cecilia, not good move.
Heck, this Edison guy is lucky, have all these women willingly to engage in “sexual activities” with him. Edison sure have money but I would not considered him as “rich” “rich” loaded tycoon guy, but manage to get all these women taken sex photos with him, gotta give him credits for this, LOL!!
@LeilaFan:
Exactly, wrong move from Cecilia (especially since everyone had just changed their drastic impression of her and actually sympathized with her at that time, after she openly cried and condemned Edison for his cowardness during the exclusive tv interview after the scandal with Edison broke out so the few bunch of people who sympathized with her earlier on felt deceived and probably felt that Cecilia was a hyprocite)
And the worst thing of all was that when reporters asked (I’m not sure exactly whom did they ask cause this was quite sometime back) Cecilia or Cecilia’s manager about her taking a photo with Edison on the plane, she denied it but when they asked Edison, he actually verified it! A lack of communication about what to say to the press -_-“
I agree that Ceci shouldn’t have initiated to change seats, or even initiated the conversation with Edison. I’m sure she wouldn’t be happy either if Nic were to have a friendly and fun conversation with Faye. Ceci needs to put herself into her husband’s shoes.
Anyway I just realized that I spelled “hypocrite” wrongly as “hyprocite”, I think I was too sleepy when I typed this lol! :S
Faye will be more unhappy if she met Nic than Nic when he met Faye. Faye still avoids Nic.
Lol, Veejay, when Ceci was 18, she had an adult party. Nic knew Ceci is a person who is openly with sex before he dates her. And he also stated in the past that he didn’t like innocent girl.
In a way of speaking, if not thank to Ceci’s scandal, how can Nic is named The best man of the century?
Fox, where did you get the info from that Ceci had an adult party for her 18th b-day? I believe she was dating Dong Dong at that time already. How did he feel about it?
I don’t think Nic prefers non-innocent girls, it’s just that he prefers older women because they’re more independent. Bonnie, Faye, and Cecilia were all independent people. Ceci raised her two brothers.
In an article I read long time ago during the EDC scandal. Some Ceci fans pointed that they know Ceci is a woman who is open with sex so they don’t feel strange when Ceci had sex pix with EDC while they were dated.
@ Fox, how did you know that Faye still avoids Nic (not that I blame her) I’m such a big Faye fan 😀 I never had a good impression of Nic I think because of how he treated her. I admire the fact that Faye never badmouths any of her exes.
I don’t mean Faye is badmouthing Nic, Mianmi.
@ Fox, what do you mean by adult party?
Party for adult, lol.
I just always find it funny how reporters can post exactly what was said during the conversation. Were they in there and listening to the conversation?? And if they got this from an insider who was there, then Nic and Cecilla should changed that person since if your a friend or worker, you shouldn’t be spilling their business to the public, esp reporters.
There are at least 4 maids working there.
Maid might be possible. Lower income group and might sell their info for reporter’s money.
I have to agree with Veejay. Nic will have no problems finding someone – look at this Miss X who already has her claws into him already. With his good looks, fame and money, he would have no trouble in finding someone else. But whether they be really decent women or not, that is another matter.
Cecilia is a different ball game. Even if I was a man like Edison I don’t think I would go with someone like her. There are plenty more women in the Entertainment Industry (single and far more attractive) and if I wanted just a one night stand or a short term relationship I would choose someone else, not someone with two kids and so much “past” behind her. If I was a man and not of the Edison type, then I would certainly look for a nice decent girl, someone whom I could rely on and have a true loving relationship with (hopefully forever).
I guess that’s because our opinions were expressed based on actual life experiences and not those fairy tales stories where all endings should ended in a positive way.
The question is, will the new marriage last for Nic? His silent treatment is not something a woman can tolerate for long.
However you forget that Nic has the title of Best man of the century. Many ppl will view him different if he has a new wife in just few months.
lasted for 90 minutes with Cecilia only saying three sentences to Nicholas. “Oh you returned!” , she said: “Go play with your sons!”
“When you want to see the sons, “give me a slap”! (let me know!)”
Oh wow, seem like no hope left.
I think I see see a news said Cecilia finished filming and return to Hong Kong this weekend.
must be fair it is good for their child.
Original article: http://www.chinatown.com.au/news/news.asp?newsid=68383&loca=et&videourl=
Headline: “Cecilia Cheung’s stepsister hurries home to keep an eye on Nicholas and sons.”
Nicholas Tse and Cecilia Cheung resorts to strange measures in order to have the kids all to themselves.
Just yesterday, Nicholas Tse, after receiving a tip-off from his trusty domestic maid that Cecilia’s loyal aide-cum-stepsister had gone out, took advantage of the situation and headed to Yang Ming Shan to spend some quality time alone with his children.
Cecilia’s stepsister got hold of the news and immediately went back to “supervise” in a bid to help Cecilia keep an eye on her boys from getting too close to Nicholas.
The day before yesterday, after the unfruitful “negotiations talk”, Nicholas Tse and Cecila Cheung went back to their own busy lives.
Nicholas made a trip down to the production company in Causeway Bay to discuss about the collaborations of the new film with directors Alex Law and Mable Cheung while Cecilia Cheung was at Ningbo, busy rushing out a film.
However, despite being busy, the couple was still concerned about their two precious tots. Before leaving Hong Kong, Cecilia left her beloved children in the hands of her stepsister, Dai Pek-Chi, to look after and care for them while Nicholas will be utilizing his time spent in Hong Kong to build up his father-son relationship with Lucas and Quintus.
Yesterday, acting on a tip-off from his trusty domestic maid that Cecilia’s stepsister, Dai Pek-Chi, had gone out for some dim sum and tea, Nicholas immediately headed to Yang Ming Shan to spend some quality time bonding with his sons. However, all this was soon spoiled by Dak Pei Chi who had darted back home as soon as she gotten wind of the news. The scene strongly resembled the movie, “Infernal Affairs”!
“Prevent sons from being “deported” away”
Because of earlier reports that Cecilia had plans to bring their two sons to Thailand and yesterday’s reports that Lucas has been crying non-stop lately, Nicholas Tse, on the anxiety of his son, remained at the company for not more than two hours and after receiving the tip-off that Cecilia’s stepsister was out, Nicholas immediately rushed down to Yang Ming Shan to seize the golden opportunity to spend time alone with his kids.
Upon reaching Yang Ming Shan, Nicholas’ cousin and Emperor Entertainment Group’s employees took their own initiative to leave via cabs to let Nicholas have some personal time with his sons and to settle some domestic affairs.
However, Cecilia’s stepsister, Dai Pek-Chi, who had already arranged “spy eyes” all over the estate, quickly rushed back with Cecilia’s manager, Emily, within 30 minutes of Nicholas’ arrival to “surveil” him under Cecilia’s absence and to make sure that Nicholas wouldn’t be able to take her nephews away, wouldn’t anyone knowing.
Maybe it’s because he had a rare opportunity to spend time with his kids, Nicholas Tse was in an extremely good mood yesterday and had a big smile plastered on his face. When asked whether he knew about reports that Lucas had been avidly crying, Nicholas laughed, smiled and replied, “You know then I would surely know!”
Although it was evident that his quality bonding time was interrupted by the timely arrival of Cecilia’s stepsister and Cecilia’s manager, Nicholas Tse, after leaving Yang Ming Shan and heading back to the hotel to rest, remained in great spirits.
When asked whether he had a good time playing around with the kids, Nicholas immediately said, “Of course!” and thanked and asked after the reporter, “Are you ending work now? Thanks for the hard work!”
“Starting work with a big smile on her face”
Meanwhile, yesterday, Cecilia Cheung continued acting for the sequel movie, “The Lion Roars Again”, 《河東獅吼II》however, due to the treacherous weather and downpour, Cecilia and the crew members were trapped in the film set and could only don on the film costumes and put on their makeup while awaiting for the weather to get better for some outdoor filming.
The crew revealed that after returning back from Hong Kong and rejoining the cast and crew in Ningbo, Cecilia often maintained a smile, did not carry any negative feelings back to the film set or request for anything special for her meals or hide in her nanny’s car to shut herself from the outside world and even had praises for her for having no airs.
Even during times when there were scenes that did not involve Cecilia, she would still stay behind on set to communicate with the backstage crew and stood beside the director to look at the filming process.
Although Cecilia was down with a cold yesterday, the filming team said her state of health was still alright the past two days and did not even use the pre-prepared medication, clearly a woman with strong endurance power.
Wow, must they seriously be so calculative about letting one another spend more time with their kids
I guess, when a potential divorce proceeding is brewing, it may be significant to foster a solid relationship with the kids so they will choose to stay with you when given a choice (which is understandable as all parents would want their children to be by their side) and to leave the outside world and the judge with a good impression that you spent any time that can be churned out with your kids.
But I feel that the real victims here are Lucas and Quintus. Instead of spending quality time together with their kids, Nicholas and Cecilia chose to continue their work and take on even more jobs (Nicholas -> discussing of the new film; Cecilia -> penning an autobiography) and let their unhappiness with each other get in the way (refusing to let Nicholas see the kids alone)
This is definitely not beneficial for Lucas and Quintus’ interest as surely they would crave for their parents’ love and not Cecilia’s stepsister’s love for them in the long term.
Besides, surely Cecilia and Nicholas are already rich enough to temporarily stop work? They should seriously forgo the money and focus and spend more time with their children instead, especially since kids grow up rather quickly and it would remain a lifetime regret for them if they miss this growing process.
Or maybe their excuse could be to earn as much money as they could for Lucas and Quintus’ needs in the future but sometimes money isn’t everything, it could spoil a child rotten, pull a family apart and it cannot guarantee happiness.
Oh yeah and may I add that the way they are so protective of these kids even towards their own father, it’s like the two children were in some “FBI Witness Protection Program” Damn exaggerative -_-“
That’s what I dislike, Nic is the kids legitmate father yet he got treated in the way where someone (obviously Cecilia’s stepsis) had to watch over his meeting with his kids. I really find this disturbing.
This tells that Nic didn’t plan to reconcile with Cecilia as a result Ceci has to treat Nic in such way……
Agree. I hate the action of Ceci’s stepsister. Nic is the kids’ father. He has every right to be with them (alone or otherwise).
I agree with Veejay. So disturbing.
As for the fear of Nic whisking away their sons. The only one who has done that so far is Cecilia, not Nic.
Which is the norm, so I am not surprised. Which is why when Cecilia rather a friend babysit than the paternal grandma, I said what I said. Now it is obvious what is going on. Flight risk? Not when Nic has a company, a thriving career, nothing he has done so far has suggested that. Cecilia is more of a flight risk since she has no company, etc. Now I think reconciliation is not a possibility anymore, because cecilia and her family start to act like this, the more this will disgust everybody else. And how then to reconcile?
Woah… Ceci has stepsis? When did she come into the picture?
I was going to translate the On CC article haha~~Yeah I also find it very exaggerating!!!
Again, we see the She said, He said game.
is it only me or did anyone notice that Nic has more “chok” looks than Raymond? LOL
haha the elusive ‘chok’ looks…good point!
oh btw, I just glanced at the TV the other day and I think Raymond has a new song called ‘chok’ hahah it must be to capitalise on his ‘chokness’.
honestly, I’m sick of Raymond and his conceited behaviour! There are alot out there who has more “chok” looks than Ray imo yet Ray acted like he’s the most chok guy in tvb. Imo, Bosco is more chok and handsome than him. LOL
@Veejay: Wild Child also has a song named Chok King, why don’t criticize them?
“I’m sick of Raymond and his conceited behaviour”
Who, How, When, Where? He behaves conceited to who? How conceited he is? When he behaves conceited and Where is the place?
You see he acts like this or ppl in the industry push him to do such thing? He himself said that he dunno why he was linked with the world Chok. And listen to the lyric of the song Chok first to know what in it.
@ Veejay
In what way is he conceited?
Fox, I knew you will reply to the comment I made since you’re a big Raymond’s fan. Well, Raymond gives me an impression that he’s conceited of his looks in the last year TVB series award where Dodo cheng asks him to do a “chok” look to the audience and he really did in a rather unnatural way like he was trying so hard to become one!I also notice that Ray wore lipgloss and eyebrow pencil in some of his closeups whereby you hardly catch Nic wearing these in any closed ups. Also, Ray’s acting skill has greatly decreased to a level where he’s more concern of his looks (like everytime if you’re observative enough, you’ll notice he try to electrolizes the audience wiht his eyes?) rather than having more challenging roles. (Atleast, I’ve never seen any Ray as a mentally challenged, beggar, horny,etc role yet, all this while, Ray has been acting either some rich man’s son or some CEO level business guy).
In the other hand, Nic is different. People doesn’t need categorizes him as “chok”, it was his attitude and the way he acted infront of the camera that made people to “notice” of his “chok” in a natural way. Raymond in the other hand try to be Chok yet, he will use his eyes to blink (prolly trying to electrolizes)but to me, he looks more like a gigolo than a cool guy to me.
And since Minami mentioned about Ray’s new song “chok” so I just added some spices to it.
I agree with Veejay that Nic’s form of ‘chok’ is more natural and it’s part of his personality. Nic is a quiet man of little words and thus he always has the same expression. His form of cool is quite aloof and doesn’t seem to invite others’ company.
conceited = unnatural action, lipgloss and eyebrow pencil? It’s really a new definition of conceited that I have ever seen.
Well, Raymond gives me an impression that he’s conceited of his looks in the last year TVB series award where Dodo cheng asks him to do a “chok” look to the audience and he really did in a rather unnatural way like he was trying so hard to become one!
He MADE FUN of this, girl. Like Wayne, Kenneth, Steven and Moses did. He teased back the reporters who said he faked his neck injury when he said about his neck injury. He said nothing that he is conceited of his look.
Also, Ray’s acting skill has greatly decreased to a level where he’s more concern of his looks (like everytime if you’re observative enough, you’ll notice he try to electrolizes the audience wiht his eyes?) rather than having more challenging roles. (Atleast, I’ve never seen any Ray as a mentally challenged, beggar, horny,etc role yet, all this while, Ray has been acting either some rich man’s son or some CEO level business guy).
Then you can watch New breath of love where he is a real player. His roles are limited in TVB, but not his acting. The eye acting, you don’t like it but I like it. To show the emotions through eyes, not through actions and expression only are something that not many ppl can do now. I see your opinion about the roles, because I also tired of his old type roles time. However role is role and acting is acting. I split these two. If you are not, then it’s your own opinion. I don’t see his acting decrease, I see he acts will a habit (like in similar situations, he has the similar gesture). I don’t know what roles of him you watched, but I saw him acts a bagger in either ASITP and Blade heart, horny player in New breath of love and handicap person in The Four. These roles are not rich guys. I haven’t seen the new movie It’s love but there, his role is a poor fishman. Although most of the roles are rich, the characters are different. However, I still don’t use role to define the acting. It’s my own opinion.
Plus, the roles are given to him, not that he chose the roles himself. He can choose to refuse or accept but must have reasonable reason when having a refusal. So then if you want to complain about same type of roles all the time, you will have to complain all the A-listed artists.
BTW, these roles are nothing related to conceited.
As for comment that he has to depend on his look, sorry, I also think he isn’t the best looking guy in TVB. I even dun think he is handsome. He is more of cute/pretty type to me. Nic is more of handsome type.
For the makeup, you haven’t seen the Sword and Flower series of Nic, right? Watch this one first. In this series, Nic wore lipgloss in most of the eps.
I don’t care for Nic is CHOK or not. I find he is cool and he always acts cool whenever I see him. But Chok doesn’t mean “act cool”.
I only feel funny of your comments about LF because you always keep the same action when mentioning of him: Criticize, then when have reply, will say that you are not criticizing and just adding normal comment. The action can be a bit different next time?
And when you criticize someone, of course you know there will be replies. Don’t tell me you don’t look forward to see the reply because I won’t blv.
And Veejay, I don’t comment of who is more Chok. I’m commenting about your words “his conceited behaviour” and “Ray acted like he’s the most chok guy in tvb”. Keyword of my comments are: Conceited and Act like.
Then don’t mix the comment to Nic vs LF, who is more Chok.
I have no comment on who is more chok… lol. But lately, I’ve seen a lot of pictures w/ Raymond looking like a 16 year old gangsta’ wannabe! It really really doesn’t suit him!
@veejay: which idol singer is Not conceited about their looks? Besides singing, they are also selling their looks and image. And trust me, all artists, male and female, wear makeup. It’s part of packaging.
Did u ever see nic tse when he first debuted? He was all about looks… and strangely doing the splits at the end of his song. But now, he’s a serious actor that still looks manly while sporting a mullet hairstyle. Not everyone can do that, ya know.
Anyway, it’s funny that ray was the original “chok” look but is now considered fake or forced chok. Nic, on the other hand, is natural chok due to his cool attitude. It’s like the pupil exceeding the master phenomenon.
Fox,
Somehow, I still feel Ray is a conceited artis (excessively proud of himself) although you said he was merely joking about being chok at the last year TVB award ceremony. To me, Ray’s pose was “exeggerated” compare to his other fellow artis like Kenneth, wayne, etc. Take a look at Kenneth and Wayne, they response towards the chok pose was natural and somehow down to earth, I bet they felt ackward too to pose as someone “chok” when they clearly they aren’t one but a decent looking guy. U said “chok” means they didn’t pose exeggerately. As for Steven, you didn’t as or try to become one instead he was being himself that night that made him not trying to steal any limelight but Ray in the other hand, CHOSE using his eyes to electrify the audience which I really think that was not necessary which the media already long time labelled him as “chok”. My point here is Ray thought he’s really that chok when medias labelled him as one and without shame, he acted exeggerately infront of the camera that made many feel nausae. If he doesn’t thinks he’s the most good looking guy in tvb, then Why the hell did he made those electrifying eyes contact? Can’t he just be more down to earth like kenneth? if that’s not called conceited of his looks then what is that called? Maybe to you, that’s called CUTE. Don’t link Joking with that looks because joking can be carried out in more proper ways. Look at Kenneth again, how he poses for chok and made fun of his look at the same time? it gives audience a rather harmony and funny feeling that this Kenneth guy got!
As for role playing, according to your source, Ray had been in different roles in different series but all these roles have one similarity in them..that they’re all GOOD role which didn’t give Ray a chance to give an outstanding performance in TVB and have once again he has to rely on his looks again.
and you said Chok doesn’t mean “act cool’, then can you please provide the real definition of chok to me plz?.
I forgot to remove some lines in my above paragraph…sorry -_-
Veejay, check the definition of Chok below in this topic. Chok dun mean “act cool” directly and litterally.
Your explaination even “wow” me more than your first comment. The eyes contact is so wrong like this to you?
And to make fun, it’s so wrong to exaggerate the action? He intentionally did it in exaggerated way. Keyword is Fun. Exaggerate it to give the audience laugh, I don’t think it’s anything wrong. You want ppl to hide themselves in a conner? Look at Kenneth in the same day, he shook head continuously, it isn’t exaggerated?
Kenneth did Chok look and make fun of himself. LF also did Chok look and make fun of himself (the neck). So wat is the different between them? One is down to earth and one is conceited? I can say that if the one who did the same gesture with LF this day (not LF), you won’t feel it’s a matter :P. If LF shook his head continuously, you will find the matter.
And must think of yourself as the most beautiful one when doing eye contact? Lol, so I guess to you ppl have to avoid others’ eyes when talking :P.
And “proud of myself” is a good character to me. Why we can’t proud of ourselves? We are beautiful in our own way. Should feel proud of yourself. There will be many things you can do/look better than others.
BTW, I blv it’s the matter of opinion and prejudice. When you don’t like something, you will see of it in the bad way. When you like, you will see it’s nice. Just admit that, everyone are biased.
It’s like the pupil exceeding the master phenomenon.
josie, I like this comment of you :).
@ Minami
Just saw the ‘chok’ MV. It’s so unRaymond-Lam. Looks more like Edison style. Really not use to see him acting hip-hop and rapper like. But, good for him to try new things instead of always singing love ballads only.
@Kidd: I don’t think C2M & OMT is love ballads :P. He has more things than Oi But Gau from last year.
@ Fox
Don’t know what is OMT. Not everyone is Raymond fan and know the short form of his songs.
‘Come to Me’ is still within his forte i.e. slow songs. But, I’ll give him credit for trying a more sensual song than his usual love ballads.
Why kind of genre is C2M?
Sorry, I always write it that so forgot :p. It’s One more time.
C2M isn’t really upbeated song but it isn’t love ballads. Well, from vol 3 his albums are less love ballads than vol 1 and 2.
Haha, I also notice that when I watch clips of him coming out of the airport. He’s in ‘chok’ mode the whole time. Lol.
He definitely has more ‘chok’ look than Raymond.
I see Nic acts cool very well.
Whoa, now I’m totally confused what ‘chok’ exactly means, actually I did think that Ray always looks slightly embarassed when reporters ask him to do a ‘chok’ look. I just thought ‘chok’ means giving the ‘look’ u know, electrifying eyes, (almost like posing sultrily but male version) haha so I didn’t think it was necessarily a good thing.
Me not a fan of Ray OR Nic, haha but since I hardly watch HK movies, I’ve seen Ray more, Ray’s acting is alright, nothing spectacular but not particularly annoying or wooden like say Ron Ng (sorry Ron’s fans!). Ron Ng is still alright though since he does not have an annoying look hahah
Someone brought up Kenneth and Wayne, er well these two don’t really rate in the looks department so not sure how ‘chok’ can be linked to them haha (sorry again K&W fans!).
As for the lyrics in Chok, I’m not sure, I didn’t listen – I think I prefer Ray acting rather than singing, his slow songs sound better. Btw, someone also brought up his gangsta look HAHA I would have to agree, does not suit him but then I don’t think the gangsta looks is a very flattering look overall 😀
What do you mean Veejay by “chok” looks?
Chok is a Cantonese slang used by Hong Kongers, and it means “very cool.”
Nope, Chok = Choke.
Cloud and Fox are both right to a certain extend.
Chok = Acting cool until you feel choked (or want to choke him)
I don’t think so. Everytime I see Chok gesture, I don’t see the “act cool” action. Only I can see is use eyes to make ppl feel choked.
Chok definition is made by the Aus guy on youtube. I don’t have link now but you can search Chok on youtube.
This guy is also defined 囧. Very cute guy.
@ Fox
“Chok definition is made by the Aus guy on youtube. I don’t have link now but you can search Chok on youtube.”
The guy also says ‘chok’ means always act cool and handsome in pictures until you want to choke him.
@ Fox
Your definition is very misleading. Yes, Chok comes from the word ‘擢’ meaning ‘make people feel choked’ But, if you just go ‘chok = choke’, you mislead Pineapple. A rope pulled around you neck also can feel choked. Too much smoke also can make you choke.
‘Chok’ look specifically mean the act of trying to look cool/handsome/cute until the person who sees your act feels choked.
Your definition misled me: Chok = Acting cool until you feel choked (or want to choke him). Chok isn’t act cool alone.
Here we are talking about Chok look, so smoke or a rope pulled around you neck don’t be mentioned. Chok look = the look make ppl choke.
However, here is the summary of Chok definitions in few places I found: Chok is an action to make ppl feel choked due to the gesture/attitude of a handsome/pretty person. And when Chok, will have to use eyes.
@ Fox
“Chok look = the look make ppl choke.”
Conclusion: Chok = Choke -> misleading
Chok = act cool ==> also misleading.
Acting cool until you feel choked or want to choke the person does not sound like being chok is a positive thing at all! 😀
Chok is like 囧, a slang.
Leave them the H*LL alone people..
This is just a normal couple problem and they should deal w/it themselves.
You people act like as though this couple is from another planet or something, yee weez..
@Amili Ana:
Well, they are kind of like the Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt of Hong Kong, of course ordinary everyday citizens like us would be curious about their marital woes and fight of custody for their kids.
And this is an entertainment news site afterall, of course there will be comments about the various entertainment articles, what did you come expecting for? Political News? Samaritan news?
You sound uninterested but it seemed like you cared enough about their news to even read and leave a comment ; )
I second Ah K, this is obviously a site for entertainment news and I think the discussions on this site are really civil and no one said anything hateful etc. You should go take a look at the Korean entertainment websites and see how the (especially Korean) netizens tear into any celebrities with a mere whiff of a ‘scandal’.
I think neither parents are great… but Nic works far too much to be a good father.
go @fox, bravo girl.
@veejay, what is wrong with ray chok, he is born with the chok look, you cant blame him and his fans.
haha, what do you mean by that? 😀 So chok also means good looking or is it more charismatic?
haha nothing wrong being chok if you’re really that cool, handsome,etc in a natural way where artis don’t necessary need to ACT as one and the term chok is only given when audience thinks you’re truly one. However, Ray only achieved his so called “chok” after tons of publicities from TVB’s high rank Virginia Lok. Thanks to virginia, Ray can become a chok guy. I havent touch on his surgeries which helps him to gain the chok term yet lol.
and Jim, you’re wrong. I’m not a Ray’s hater and I still listen to some of his songs and watch his series lol. I still buy magazines which has his cover lol. I just like to criticize artis who is a wannabe when he/she isn’t one that born with. And you’re wrong, Ray wasn’t born with chok, he gained them thru niptuck+heavy publicities.
Why would anyone want to be known as ‘chok’ and has a ‘chok’ reputation? It’s not a good reputation.
Chok is like a slang to joke more than praise, dear.
And 620 didn’t do anything to make him be called Chok. It’s Astrid Chan and Kwok Wing Si the first ones who called him so. Ppl think it’s funny so they keep calling that.
Since you dunno then you shouldn’t blame for something someone dun do so.
So in your opinion, he is born with what?
Indeed Chok is a slang but I disagree with the part where it’s more like a joke though :). People in Hk use “chok” to describe someone cool and handsome. Yet you say it was merely a joke? U sure? Try to say that to Ray that people just called you chok just becasue they think it’s a joke to praise your charm and they don’t realy mean you’re “chok” at all because it was just a joke. Of course you’ll defend Ray in all aspects when someone question his abilities,wellbeings,etc. You said Chok is merely a Joke more than a praise. But why are reporters in Hk still use “chok” to describe those cool and handsome male celebrities? because “chok” has evolutioned to serve more as a praise than a joke.
Blame is when I blame someone I know in person for doing something wrong. And why should I blame Ron when I don’t know him in person? All I did was criticized his exeggerated actions which I think he should had handled that night’s event better like Kenneth who gaves audiences a sense of humble. maybe to his fans, showing off his elecfrying eyes with neck prob is fun, but to some people, it was more like exeggerating 🙂
Maybe to Astrid Chan and Kwok it was merely a joke but I dont think Ray took it as “joke” because he seems to think he’s really chok by posing/acting infront of the media lol.
Meh, so Astrid Chan and Kwok Wing Si is now 620? It’s thing you don’t know. You criticize Ron’s acting because you know it, you see it and view on it. But in this situation, you said Chok is promoted by 620 to LF, then I answered you that no, no relationship at all.
The reporters in HK uses Chok with good meaning? Lol, I doubt so.
I blv that if he shook his head this day like Kenneth, you still say he was exaggerated.
And I think you will jump on me if I said this day Kenneth dun give me any feel of humble. I feel he was so exaggerated, so what? I have to say he is conceited? I’m an audience and not all the audience have the same view with you.
You think of Chok as act cool, I told you that no, it isn’t. It’s like a joke and give ppl lol lol than think it’s real. It sometimes have negative sense, sometimes positive, depends on situation. Not all the time it has good meaning.
Same on the Chok song. It is more of a tease/joke to reporters than really explain the word Chok. Its lyric is kinda clear.
What you say to jim is similar to wat I’m saying with you: Providing different view on a matter. You think LF wasn’t born with chok, jim thinks so.
BTW, you still dun answer my question: He was born with wat in your opinion?
And a new question: How you describer “Humble”?
For your last sentence: Whenever he is requested, he’ll do this pose, then lol. So I view it that he think do Chok is like a tease/joke and to make fun only. Same to other ppl whenever they are requested to do it.
Maybe this will make you feel better if i say “Raymond is not my cup of tea, therefore, everything he did seems exeggerating to me”. LIke you said, Raymond is your idol, therefore, anything “exeggerating” to you is Joking but definitely not to other eyes. Kenneth is way more modest = humble in my opinion.
One thing to correct you: He isn’t my idol. I’m consider myself as a fan but he isn’t my idol. I know it’s hard to understand but I don’t idolize anyone :P.
Your quote dun make me feel any better because it’s more like a fact to me and to anyone. Everyone is that. If it isn’t your cup of tea then you will see it as a wrong thing. But if you like it, your view will be different.
Like you, I don’t feel Kenneth’s action this day is any humble or modest.
i means @veejay the sound really like a hater, he never see him in real life than @fox do it, please dont act like superman.
Oh ok..I think @veejay is just not a fan of Ray..
i dont see anything wrong with ray chok, i do agree with @fox, of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but why waste time to see him if you think its bad, i think those haters are leading a rather sad life.
So do you know what the lyrics are in Ray’s ‘chok’ song? just curious 😀
@minami, you tube xlaobals channel and you can find the lyrics of chok song by ray mv.
haha ok, I prolly won’t bother then 😀
ray dancing has improved a lot, very good and i love it.
why people talk about things that arent related to the article, what does ray have to do with this article, not related to the topic, those people are criticising him for obvious reasons, why do they care about him so much if they dont feel threatened by him.