Jenny Tseng Continues Her Rant on Disrespectful Singers
Jenny Tseng’s (甄妮) criticism on G.E.M.’s (鄧紫棋) disrespectful behavior has created a slight disturbance in the Hong Kong pop music scene.
The veteran diva, known for her powerful voice and classic 1980s theme songs, retired to the United States during the early 1990s. She made a comeback to the Chinese music scene with her Love Show: The Farewell World Tour in May 2010, which kicked off with four sold-out shows in Hong Kong. The tour was then followed with stops in Taiwan, Canada, the United States, Australia, Guangzhou, Singapore, Macau, and Malaysia.
The tour’s final leg will be an encore show in Hong Kong, which will be held at the Hong Kong Coliseum from February 18 to 20, 2013.
During an interview to promote the upcoming concert, Jenny, who was asked if she is up-to-date with Hong Kong’s current singers, admitted that she did not have very good impressions of them. She first criticized G.E.M.–who was at one point branded as Jenny’s “successor” due to her powerful vocals–for her poor attitude and lack of integrity when they met for the first time at a musical festival five months ago.
“I don’t know her personally,” Jenny said in a follow-up interview. “When she first debuted, her manager once invited me to perform with her, but I turned down the offer. Maybe a grudge was held against me ever since! Maybe it’s because I am old. It is not surprising if she doesn’t know who I am. I actually really want to be someone’s junior again. But I really want to say is that as an artist, politeness is a fundamental rule. If you lack self-cultivation, your talents will not go far.”
As one of Hong Kong’s most successful and respected seniors in the music industry, Jenny is aware that her comments are like an imperial decree. “I do believe that my words can be despicable and loathsome, but when people ask, I respond.” Jenny reassured that she is not afraid of getting bashed for her criticisms, because she is just “speaking [her] truth.”
More Criticisms
Besides criticizing G.E.M., Eason Chan (陳奕迅), Cecilia Cheung (張柏芝), and Daniel Chan (陳曉東) as stated in earlier reports, Jenny also did not have very much nice things to say to Hong Kong young legends, Raymond Lam (林峯), Kelly Chen (陳慧琳), and Kay Tse (謝安琪).
“When [Raymond Lam] saw me at the Battle of Singing Stars <翡翠歌星紅白鬥> last summer, he just stood there and stared at me. The most interesting part was that when he was doing a radio interview, he was telling the host of how excited he was to have been able to meet Jenny Jeh Jeh. What? He didn’t even greet me! How happy can he be? I felt like he was taking advantage of me.
“[Kelly Chen] was also not very polite. One time, when I was chatting with Aaron Kwok (郭富城) backstage, I saw her looking at me, but she did not greet me. She did not try to get herself involved in our conversation either. When I finished my conversation with Aaron, she and Aaron continued theirs. Do you know how embarrassed I was? Before I walked back, I turned around and told her, ‘I don’t know you, so I don’t know what to say to you!’ She looked shocked, but it is possible that I had also spoken out her own thoughts. Yes, it was a very childish move of me, but I couldn’t hold in the anger. I felt a lot better after I said it.”
Asked for her thoughts on Kay Tse, Jenny said with a grimace, “Thank goodness I am not like Paula Tsui (徐小鳳). She likes to take the initiative to ask for a photo with the juniors. I heard through a friend that one time, Paula asked for a photo with a group of juniors backstage. Everyone was nice about it, except for [Kay Tse]. Her assistant coldly rejected Paula’s request and said that [Kay] was not feeling well, that she looked too sickly for a picture!”
Praises
However, Jenny did not criticize every name that was thrown at her. She admitted that she has come across a few “obedient” singers in her lifetime in the industry.
“Coco Lee (李玟) is very talkative and friendly. Jade Kwan (關心妍) will introduce herself; Gigi Leung (梁詠琪) is a great collaborator, and Miriam Yeung (楊千嬅) is very polite.”
Asked if she has found any outstanding singers in today’s industry, Jenny confidently said, “So far, I have not found anyone who can be my successor! The hottest singer at the moment, Eason Chan, is pretty good at singing, but the problem with him is that his live singing sounds exactly like in the CD.”
Did Jenny have any advice for her juniors? Jenny said, “As an artist, do not forget your origins. Modesty is a virtue. Happiness is being you. On stage you are an artist; behind stage you are an ordinary person. This is how you become a successful artist. Won’t you get tired for posing all day? In the past, I never had the chance to brush the floors or clean the tables, but now these have become my hobbies. Don’t steal my broom if you don’t want to get on my bad side.”
Source: ihktv.com
This article is written by Addy for JayneStars.com.
Now she’s just being obnoxious. Seems like her problem is just people not introducing themselves. Maybe people just didn’t want to bother her.
And when was sounding like a CD a bad thing? Being out of tune and unable to reach certain notes is better?
Ric,
“And when was sounding like a CD a bad thing?”
I think what Jenny meant by this is that when a singer performs live, he/she is suppose to project their emotions and charismatic side better. As a singer, one cannot simply just sing the song as it is in a recording studio. To me, these “divas” from the 80s – early 90s is what separates themselves from the singers now. Jenny Tseng herself, Sally Yeh, Anita Mui, Sandy Lam just to name a few, owned the stage when it came to their live performances.
I agree with Jenny’s comments in this respect. If Eason sings exactly like what he did on CD, why do people have to pay a lot to hear him live in concerts.
…all HK singers, please remember to greet her like a diva next year when you see her…end of story.
When a diva (jenny) met divas (kelly and kay)or divos ( LF & eason) , status friction occurs.This is common.Anyway, when jenny did interview with steven chan in 2007 , she blast wong jing ,alan tam and natalis chan for polluting his late hubby alexander fu shing into becoming a playboy
“lack of integrity”???
Are you sure the article is translated correctly?
Ok, now I really wonder if the juniors are being rude or she just thinks that she is better so the juniors have to treat her like a goddess?
I admire Jenny’s talent and all, but I feel she needs to be more easygoing instead of so old fashioned. of course she is better than the newer generation in terms of experience and all. But she should be more humble and understanding about it all.
I agree with Raina about her explanation on sounding like a CD. There are many singers who sound great and ok on a recorded CD, but when they performed live without all of the enhancements and all it was a completely different story… If you can sing well live, that’s when you are truly a good singer. However, if you can only sound good or decent on Cd then I don’t feel you are a truly good singer yet.
Agree with u on this!
Kelly Chan being impolite?
Lolll, im sorry, I’m 30 this year and I haven’t heard of this lady! What do u expect Kelly to do??
Bow at her?
This old lady is just hilarious!!
I don’t even know her if news bout her are posted here!! >.<||||
*are not posted here*
My advice to this old lady is
“You want more respect then act respectful!!”
It’s too polite that Kelly didn’t say anything back to her, if I’m Kelly, I’ll just simply answer, – excuse me, AUNTIE, we met b4??!!
Hahahahahas xD
I am shocked that you don’t know her… I think many of you have heard her sing but just don’t know it. Even if you don’t buy her CDs or anything, you often hear her sing themesongs for TVB series. Some of them are Legend of the Condor Heroes 83 with Roman Tam, Whatever it Takes, God of Sabre and many others that I can remember now. Jenny is actually very famous but I can understand why you don’t know her. However, in a sense you do but just did not realize it…
oops meant to say “can’t remember now”. Trust me, many of you have heard her sing but just did not realize it…
HK or Taiwan even mainland singers of any caliber, no matter how young, know or should know who Jenny Yan Lei is.
Hong Kong young legends, Raymond Lam (林峯), Kelly Chen (陳慧琳), and Kay Tse (謝安琪).
Them young legends?? Popular or famous maybe, but legends? They have not paid their dues yet and definitely not on that level yet as legend. Now, Jenny is a legend who has paid her dues many times over.
Actually in the Chinese original article that I read, Jenny did not mention the names of those singers she criticized but their identities are easy to infer.
Oh, dear! Forgot the close italics code again. Sorry!
@HTS,
Thanks for the info. The LOCH themesongs are such classics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1tgdBKJtcc
Her singing is god-like and the music industry in HK today is pretty much dead.
Yea and now that I think about it, I wonder if this article over exaggerated or not?? Maybe it isn’t as bad we think??
It is true that Jenny is a legend but she should be more understanding to the younger generation.
@Exiodus,
You are welcome and yes, Jenny does sound like very special. My mom loves her and Francis Yip who is another legend that many of the singers today just cannot match up to.
i know, wow she sounds unbelievable.
even if you are an elder, politeness goes both ways. if she/he does not greet then you can very well greet them too since it certainly she has alot of saliva in her hahaa..lol…my mom was actually watching one of her concert on dvd one time, she is NOT THAT POLITE herself, sounds snobbish as well. She better teach her daughter to be polite as well then and not having someone tell her she’s whatever whatever that teens behave these days. But you know what, some ppl can only judge and not look at themselves.
I have this colleagues once, she would tells us HOW POLITE blab blab all the compliments and praising about her live in b/f…that her parents love him better than herself and that he treats elders so well and all that crap n he came once for her after work. Ohhh boy ohh boy, he can only nod and force a smile on us when this colleague of mine says how POLITE he is to everyone. sighhh…. hahaa…. unbelievable, this Jenny woman sounds exactly like her right now hahaa…lol..
Yen, I think the reporter twisted her words somewhat in this article. And i think what Jenny is trying ot say about Kelly is that there were three of them standing…wether jenny is famous or not it doesn’t hurt for kelly to acknowledge her instead of treating her as invisable…that’s why she was upset. People forget that most of these celebs are one way behind closed doors and another in public.
Asians tend to be big on respecting seniority, regardless of whether they’re right or wrong. That is a bone of contention in my relationship with my parents, but at least I’ve mellowed down a bit over the years. You’ve just got to understand that they had different upbringings and values.
I was only born in the 90s so I was a bit late to the party, but my mum made sure I learnt how to appreciate the likes of Jenny, Paula, Anita, Cheung Tak Lan, etc. Heck, even Lisa Wong. They’re just on a whole other level.
Yen, u r lying that u dunno her just because u r kelly’s fan. Jenny instead is very frank and honest in her opinions and for that i respect her. With her opinions voiced out I am sure she will know that she will be attracting lots of condemnation ( a good example that is you)from the fans of whom she had criticised but she is not bothered at all cos that is plain truth from her. Period.
Yes because you’re a casual listener. They work in the field, and HK music scene is kind of small so most of the celebrities would know of each other let alone legends. So its definitely rude for them not to have shown her the proper respect. Even in normal work situations, if you see your higher ups, you need to at least acknowledge them in some way, like say hi (not even to the extent of bowing or whatever) not ignore them like they’re not there.
tanks exoidus. wow. i loved loved thus song when i was little. She has an amazing voice.
I don’t quite agree that the juniors mere rude to Jenny. Some people are shy and don’t know how to approach some glamorous and renowned senior singers. They might have loved to talk to her or taken photos with her, but they were too shy to do it. As a nice and friendly senior, I think Jenny should have taken the initiatives to introduce herself, like Paula Tsui (徐小鳳). If Jenny introduced herself to the juniors and the juniors still did not like to talk to her, she could then call the juniors impolite. There was just lack of communication.
I don’t think it is rudeness now that I think about it more… I guess it is more of a clash of the older generation versus the younger generation which is typical in many cases and is mainly due to lack of communication as Sandcherry mentioned…
Mr.Chin, I’m not Kelly fan, and I really do not know who this old lady is >.<||
I'm 30 this year and I really do not know her.
Like I said, You want more respect then act respectful!!
Even the PRIME MINISTER got to greet the citizens, what she thinks she is too awesome at?!
agree !!!!!
My dear HTS, condor heroes 83??!!
Do u mean the year of 1983??!!
That’s the year I was born >…<||
Yes, I mean the Condor Heroes 83 starring Barbara Yung and Felix Wong…
What the hell? who does she thinks she is?!?! the encounter with kelly was just plain rude. no offense if kelly backlashes at this old lady i wouldn’t blame her at all.
Yeahhh v(⌒ε⌒)v
thanks **
Wow, such a diva! Old cake go home and stop trying to take advantage of the young talents for attention!
I do not think Jenny needs to do that since she is really famous and popular. She does not need to use any young talents to make herself known. I admit that she is being a bit overboard but I can sort of understand why. She is a veteran and is from a different generation where things were different. Many of my relatives are like that and it is annoying but understandable…
She is part of the older generation and oftentimes, the old and the young clash because of how much the former expects the latter to pay their “respects”. It isn’t anything new, it’s just part of the Chinese tradition and sadly because we’re younger, to avoid these kind of situations, we just have to nod or smile or greet to show we acknowledge their existences.
Exactly. Regardless of how bothersome you think it is, all it reallh requires is a hi, nod or bow depending on th situation.
my god, she’s like the Edison Chen of etiquette – a tattletale!
I love you Jenny for telling it like it is!
I think she is confirming what the filmmakers noted about young Hong Kong people these days during the making of Infernal Affairs 2 – many of them won’t put out good manners if it doesn’t further their career – many are emptier than the young people of previous generations.
I think the most frightening thing about the old bullies was that Fay Fay would want to cross her back in the day in TVB. pimp out young starlets and you didn’t I hope that isn’t true but many people believe it. I can imagine Yun Lei scaring the crap out of any young entertainer back in the day if you displeased her. Both are wrong – to not be well mannered to elders and to be cruelly dominant over juniors.
last paragraph to correct the weird jumping thing that happens sometimes:
I think the most frightening thing about the old bullies was that Fay Fay would pimp out young starlets and you didn’t want to cross her back in the day in TVB.
I hope that isn’t true but many people believe it including that she pushed Little Dragon Girl out to her casino first husband. I can imagine Yun Lei scaring the crap out of any young entertainer back in the day if you displeased her. Both are wrong – to not be well mannered to elders and to be cruelly dominant over juniors.
If Kelly or the younger generation do not know their predecessors’ names or acknowledge them if you know who they are, that is a crying shame…It is like Music 101 where you learn the history of music and those who made it possible for the succeeding generation. Social etiquette is something that many entertainers failed to learn and thus lack to be gracious and sociable.
Exactly!
Yup agreed.
Bang on!
I feel like if Jenny initiated contact or greeted them first, and in return, they ignored it/did not do that same, then THAT would be a problem.
“he just stood there and stare at me.”
“i saw her looking at me but did not greet me.”
well jenny werent you doing the same thing?
“Everyone was nice about it, except for [Kay Tse]. Her assistant coldly rejected Paula’s request and said that [Kay] was not feeling well, that she looked too sickly for a picture!”
her ASSISTANT was the one who “coldly rejected” her request. you can’t make implication on Kay based on what her assistant did.
Jenny is a diva, but she isn’t the only one. She’s a great singer, but less complaining would be nice.
I know having respect for the elder is important but she really doesn’t have to go public about those stuff.
No wonder why they wrote veteran diva…
They asked, she answered. Apparently people hate it when celebs avoid the question or say no comment yet they can’t appreciate honesty either.
Yeah I dont like honesty about such thing, this kind of subject doesnt need to go public. I personally think is better to say no comment or avoid the question. Some thing should just stay in the dark.
Guess she is not practising what she preached for her juniors.
“Modesty is a virtue”: She is not modest at all when she claimed that she has not found any one that’s her successor.
“Happiness is being you”: Why cant other artists be themselves instead of trying to PR her and be “obedient” to her?
“On stage you are an artist; behind stage you are an ordinary person.”: Since behind stage, artist supposed to be ordinary… Why should they try to talk to her. She maybe Diva ages ago but she should accept that she is not that hot any more.
“Don’t steal my broom if you don’t want to get on my bad side.”: She is just so self importance.
couldnt have agree more…
well analyzed and accurate @i12dejavu
well, you couldn’t deny that she has in fact not found any successor. Singers nowadays could not match up to the elder’s calibre.
I can’t stand Eason Chan, but isn’t that a compliment that he sounds exactly like he does on his CDs? Or is that a passive aggressive way of saying he lip syncs everything and can’t sing live?
Every article I read about Jenny is worse than the one before it lol. She should stop making statements while she still has a few fans left lol.
I can understand why she is pissed off when many of them can’t sing properly but are winning all the awards and sees themselves as legends, LOL.
Lol
The old b^tch should stay retired instead of coming back to give everyon a tirade.
maybe she just want to make some news since her concert is coming up….yea…in understand that we should respect senior…but she complaint mostly are people did not greet her…okay…all HK singers, please remember to greet her like a queen next year you see her…
I know and heard her song…i am over 40…yea…maybe she sang very good…anyway…i am not in music major…but i really like her or be her fans….she is just a singer to me…singing is her job…what is so special about her…i don’t record that she did a lot of charity thing or save the world!
I meant I never like her singing or be her fans.
Maybe if she provided other examples I would have found her argument more valid.
The “he/she didn’t come greet me so therefore he/she is rude” argument gets old after awhile.
I don’t know if any of these younger stars are actually rude, but I don’t think it is justified to make such claims about some people based on one instance.
Does she really want the respect? All the stars are tired dealing with the media, the awards, the promotion for 365 days every year…I thought that she sees herself as the “goddess” of HK music and honestly, this proves that she isn’t. This is an example of someone who judges people by their first impression and YELLS TO THE MEDIA about what SHE PERSONALLY THINKS…
Is it just me or do I feel that she is absolutely not respecting the rising stars in hk?
totally…she is expecting every young singer to greet her like a gueen?! so what without greet her…yea…i know we have to respect senior…but sometime would be she is busy talking to other…or other are busy talking or doing something else…it is not that impolite!
Would have to agree with both CHo and CL. She acts like people should roll out the red carpet and kneel down to kiss her hands or something.
Clearly, it’s the pot calling the kettle black. Respect is a 2-way street…
Goodness, so obnoxious! She thinks she still the diva and expects every one to bow to her, wanna make friends with her etc?
She looks so fierce, pple know how influencial she can be, they probably dare not approach her for fear of being scolded or being brought up in reports such as these!!
Being older and beijg famous last time
Doesnt warrant respect or have pple throwing themselves at ur feet to want to talk to u.. Respect needs to be earned..
No respect for this old lady here.
This B needs to get put in her place.
I find some of these comments hilarious. First of all, I would ask those so called ‘music listeners’ to just be ashamed of yourself if you do not know who Jenny Tseng is. Name me someone who can sing like her in HK music industry !!
Secondly, when we attend concerts, we want to enjoy the live performance of singers with full emotions and soul. This is the way fans connect with their idols beside judging if that singer is a real good singer or not. It would be quite silly to judge a voice mainly listening to the CDs.
Thirdly, how can these young singers be regarded as legends? By winning more awards or having bigger fan base?? And how many of these young singers is truthful with their words? After accepting awards, they will say nice and encouraging phrases to their screaming fans but only God knows their real attitude behind stage. jenny tseng is quite different in this sense because she is a very straight forward person. However, I think that her comment about Paula Tsui is a bit too far. It’s up to Paula to choose her own ways of communicating with the young singers even though she is a big star.
Lastly, how many young singers out there who regard themselves as legends can still render a good live song when they are as old as Jenny Tseng?
I don’t think her comment was meant to be a slight at Paula. More like Jenny realises that she’s got a short fuse and not as personable as Paula Tsui, and she might have blown a gasket had that incident happened to her instead…
This Jenny Tsang sounds like a snobbish, rude and grumpy old lady! Who does she think she is to bash younger singers when they don’t greet her?
With due respect, looks like she is the one having a bad attitude and all pent-up for nothing. Is she out preaching the word ‘respect’?
Seriously, going by the abovementioned news, she is thinking the world of herself, pretentiously being a world diva who demands all respect from every citizen. Should kowtow her. Can’t recall if Teresa Teng or other more famous divas did that. Reckon she is being too pampered and self centered. Free media attention at the expense of others shouldn’t be earned like this.
Just because she is out from hibernation after donkey years doesn’t warrant everyone to still know and worship her. Those were the days, maybe.
Wouldn’t be surprised if heaps of the younger generation doesn’t even know who the heck this old hat is.
Argument is Raymond Lam might be found dumbstruck and loss for words, likewise Kelly wouldn’t want to barge in and interrupt any oncoming conversation. That would be rude anyway. So she shouldn’t be so sensitive about the incidents.
It’s pointless undiplomatically blasting one after another just because they don’t see or cross your path.
Like it or not, a grain of rice produces many types of different people.
Please get over it, age graciously and let sleeping dog lies, will you granny or else Fu Sheng might be turning around in his grave, ok?
she shouldve just greeted the juniors too to make herself seem like the higher person. making someone else feel guilty and embarrassed while making yourself seem classy seems like a better move…
This is a funny article (:
This happens all the time to my classmates and me.
Even when I see my high school classmates at my university, I don’t go up and say hello. It’s a weird thing to do, I suppose. Usually, I will give my classmates a smile and then begin to head off to my classes. Some of my friends pointed out how I don’t say hello to them even when I walk past them.
I feel like Jenny wants people to greet her since it’s a courtesy thing to do.
Two rants from Jenny in as many weeks? I’m starting to think she’s just a Diva….
Maybe she needs to drum up publicity for her concerts..
Using GEM alone isn’t enough publicity so she knew to drum up louder by bringing up Ray and Kelly’s name. Why can’t Ray be happy meeting her without greeting her? I agree that he might be dumstruck at the moment like a small fan.
I think so, too, on Raymond Lam’s case. Raymond is quite a nice and humble guy who speaks very well about others.
True that. Ray has never talked bad about others and no other seniors ever criticized his so called bad manners before. He might be just starstruck and don’t wish to bother Jenny. This is why I think Jenny is using Ray and Kelly’s name for her own publicity. Maybe GEM’s name isn’t enough so sr has to add more names in her rant.
Total Agree 🙂
There is definitely something wrong with Jenny Tseng. She is overly sensitive and unreasonable. Living up to that age already, one would think that a person would be more understanding and not so shallow. Just because someone does not initiate a conversation with someone first, does not mean that they are rude. Also sometimes a person can get so happy that they just freeze because they could not believe that they are actually seeing such a famous singer. As for her interpretation of how an artist should act, she makes it sound like it is only a job and an act rather than what comes from within or is felt. Making art is not merely a job.
actually i think in the old days she is more famous for being fu sheng’s wife than singer.
Ah, just being a bully. Like anthony wong bully show lo. What’s wrong with these old celebrities. You should turn old and graceful and forgiving not old and bitter.
Anyway she can sing but i don’t like her singing style.
ROFL, anthony wong bullied show luo? More like Show Luo’s dumb fans creating trouble for their idol. Having a dumb obsessed fan is worse than having a hater.
“But I really want to say is that as an artist, politeness is a fundamental rule. If you lack self-cultivation, your talents will not go far.”
and by saying this to other is being polite? how irony.
“When [Raymond Lam] saw me at the Battle of Singing Stars last summer, he just stood there and stared at me. ”
This is where I disagree on Ray being rude as GEM. Because he was probably star struck, like Kelly was. Miriam is famous for her boisterous personality so for her to say hi and all isn’t that too much for her sort of personality. Jenny should differentiate between rude and star struck. And maybe a little fear as well.
@ Funn Lim: “When [Raymond Lam] saw me at the Battle of Singing Stars last summer, he just stood there and stared at me.”
From the Chinese original I would translate the above sentence differently, which gives off a different vibe on Jenny’s words.
Besides GEM, Jenny also criticized several other juniors without naming names, but from her hints the identities of the celebrities are easily deduced.
Opportunistic Chok King
“Like that currently very popular siu sang who acts and sings. When he saw me at this public place (7/7 TVB Battle of Singing Stars) he also ignored me (m lei yan). But the strange thing is during his tv interview he so very excitedly told the host: ‘I was so happy to see Yan Lei Jeh!’ But he didn’t even greet me so how happy could he be? More like being ‘opportunistic’ (chau siu) ba? ”
除了鄧紫棋外，甄妮還對其他數位後輩進行了不點名批評。不過從種種特征暗示來看，這些明星的身份也呼之欲出了。
“抽水Chok 王”
“好像那個又演又唱的當紅小生，他在公開場合（去年7 月7 日的《翡翠歌星紅白斗》）見到我，也是不理人的。但最奇怪的是，他接受電視台訪問時，又很興奮地跟主播說‘見到甄妮姐好開心’。他明明連招呼都沒有跟我打，有多開心呢？ 像是‘抽水’多一點吧。”
Clamine’s translation is right on. Seems like the author/translator missed a lot of details.
Which part of Ray did was rude? Have you never had a moment where you met a big star or a famous person and just starstruck and keep looking at her/him but daren’t approach? Jenny was wrong and obnoxious for thinking that Ray is using her. I think Jenny is using Ray to create publicity for herself now.
I don’t think she is using him for publicity. She doesn’t need him for publicity. She has her own following. I still feel she misunderstood him.
@simpson,he isnt rude for not greeding jenny, but a little bit strange to say that he is very exited to see jenny,because in the interview he gave on the radio is a bit contradicted on how he acted when he saw jenny.
Clamine, by your translation then what she says is more damning than above article. I still think she misunderstood. It is indeed rude if one just walk past, not acknowledging ala GEM but for Ray like anyone else, like us fans to stand by the side and stare it is more star struck. Moreover Jenny Tseng doesn’t give the vibe of being a very approachable star. She does look stern and evidenced by the 2 articles, she is stern. Must be a scary mom! And mentor. But I understand her grievances.
In my translation, Raymond did not “just stood there and stared at” Jenny, he completely ignored her – what he was doing at the time was not reported.
He might be like you said so overcome with his encounter with a living singing legend he suddenly being reduced to a starstruck fan, too intimidated by Jenny’s stern countenance to even approach her to say hi or smile or nod at her direction. And then like a starstruck fan went gushing over his encounter with Jenny in his tv interview.
@Clamine,
Do you have the original article?? Things are often misinterpreted and lost in translation so that may be one of the problems…Also, you wonder how true everything is?? I am starting to believe in news articles in general less and less…
HTS: All I did was google 甄妮 鄧紫棋 and in search tool pick past 24 hours and presto, take your pick on the news. After browsing a few sites, I picked 甄妮公開狠批無禮后輩 “兩子天後”中招
http://dailynews.sina.com/bg/ent/hktwstar/sinacn/20130110/02084142314.html
@HTS: That’s why I’ll read several different news reports to get the overall big picture of things. Reading news snippets these days are like the Blind men and the elephant story.
@Clamine,
You have a lot more patience than me. I often get lazy to read a lot of articles but instead just scan some of them. Thanks for the link. I will scan or/and read it now. Things are often lost in translation as well so it is always good to read the original if you can. It is a good idea to read several articles to get a better picture.
@HTS: I figure if I spend time and effort in a discussion I might as well spend a little time beforehand to browse relevant news reports or to listen to the actual interview so as to get a more balanced big picture. I’m often amused at how a same incident/event can be reported so differently in different news sites based on the reporters’ pov.
“take my recent experience. I am a junior entering a new club. a senior wants me to speak or b called a certain way. but I lik who I am and want to b able to represent myself as I choose. am I rude if I dnt follow the seniors expectations?? I highly doubt it.”
Fake Funn or the Stubborn Funn or perhaps Imposter Funn, your style of writing reminds me of that obnoxious imposter and I bet you are that person. It is not about a senior wanting you to speak or be called a certain way. You can speak anyway you want, but to use a name that you have no affinity for but contempt is obnoxious in itself. You are rude. That’s the truth. It is not following expectations. This is having the decency of finding your own name. You don’t even have the courage to give yourself an additional New Funn or something like that. Yours is not freedom of expression or freedom of speech but a license to annoy just because there is no registration feature here and just because you can. The fact that you blatantly ignore my request, not even a reply or by others shows to me you do not think highly of anyone. I am done being pissed off with you so I suppose I should just follow your lead and just be rude and obnoxious to you.
Continue to tell yourself that.
Wow, so Funn with pink avatar is ok with funn with purple avatar? Now I notice so many different avatars and wow, suddenly so many people with the same name. Are you sure you are not the same person wasting bandwidth and space with different email addresses? Yes stay true to yourself, within the confines on how many email addresses you can register.
Don’t take the high road unless you come with clean hands. Unless of course you’re not that purple funn so that makes me wonder, Jaynestars has got to have the highest number of Funn/funn in the internet. Thanks to your many email addresses of course.
I’m really shocked by some the above comments. Is it not common sense to acknowledge our elders and be respectful? If you come home and your parents happens to have guests over, are you not suppose to stop and greet them? Somethings are just expected. I guess nowadays it’s different…and maybe there should be a class for basic etiquettes.
Hmm… Yeah, I think a simple nod or greeting should be standard. But maybe social awkwardness got in the way?
Meeting guests in your house and meeting seniors that you’ve never talked to before is different. Not greeting and minding their own business just means they are respecting the senior’s space and privacy and not necessarily rudeness. Respect also goes both ways. The seniors should respect the juniors too. In this case Jenny is bullying and acting diva on the juniors.
Let’s put it this way. You see your CEO or Chairman coming into the office, he goes straight to the Directors or is talking to them, do you go up and say hi?
If you see your CEO or Chairman coming into the office and he walks by you, would you smile and nod? or just ignore him blank-faced entirely?
i don’t think she is as important as a CEO!
That happens all the time & I’d would just smile or a simple wave to let him know I see him…and he does the same…it’s possible to do two things at once :-).
It depends, if I am a kuchi fry and he seem like he may be caught up with other stuff than me, I will not go up and say hi, now if he walks past me I’d say Good morning Sir or something like that.
OK say you saw Li Ka Shing, do you go up to him and say “Hi! I am so and so”… so what? I will be quietly observing him, I don’t think I’ll have the guts to approach him.
Will u greet elders on the street or every elder u meet?
No, because I’m not crazy. However, if an elderly person or anyone for that matter is in front of me I’d at least acknowledge them with a nod or smile.
Can’t blame the younger generations they are all pampered by parents; should blame parents lol…never teach them basic manners heh…heh..rude children nowadays..
Look, she’s not a bewitch. She speaks the truth. She has a lot of experience then the new generation people now. Her rants is A+++. I praise her.
I don’t get how Kelly Chen was rude. She was just being polite and waited for her turn to talk to Aaron instead of butting in on another’s conversation.
I think all Jenny wants from Kelly is a nod on her head or a smile or hand waving sign to acknowledge she is existence a simple gesture perhaps.
Kidd: [When I finished my conversation with Aaron, she and Aaron continued theirs.]
Yes, Kelly politely waited for her turn to speak to Aaron but she completely ignored Jenny’s presence. How about a nod or a smile to acknowledge Jenny’s presence before taking her turn to speak to Aaron? That is just plain common courtesy to someone in our presence. Jenny’s not transparent.
Agreed!
Not exactly familiar with her songs but Jenny Tseng is indeed a diva past n present, a bit of respect in due is much appreciated I suppose although she may seemed aloof at certain intervals >_<
First pink, then purple, then blue. So you use 3 different emails which generated 3 different avatars and now you’re telling everyone you are one of the same, so as to erase confusion. As far as credibility goes, it is a zero. Go on, create as many emails as you can and all the colours of the rainbow and you’re still a nobody without your own proper name. And if you are Wong Lim Funn, let me say this, your writing style is different from her so if you intend to stay the same as for consistency sake, try your best to write consistently. A cheat will always write like a cheat.
I understand we have to respect senior…but what i understand from this report is…they are in the same function with Jenny, but does not greet her! I don’t think that is very impolite…I am over 40 with 2 pre-teen too…I really don’t get it how impolite that is? If those young people late or do something wrong without say sorry…then I will get it that is impolite…but now…i don’t get it…
Well, if you don’t know then I guest your children won’t know as well 🙁
Ooo wow so someone stare at you and not saying anything to you is called rudee .. wtff is wrong with her brain .. Apparently there something wrong with her . Just because someone stare at you not saying anything to you it doesn’t mean they are rude . It could mean something else. Just because kelly was staring at her and wasnt joining the convo doesn’t mean she is rude , it could have mean that she is waiting for them to finish talking first as she doesn’t wanna bother them .. Thats normall geezzz , she needs to be more open minded and be grudges on everyonee oh god.
When I first saw the other article about GEM, I thought maybe Jenny was just being a frank person or something. But now, it just seems like she’s an obnoxious arrogant lady who thinks she’s all famous and deserves all forms of respect from the young stars. She makes everyone else seem rude, but if she has so much to complain about others, doesn’t it kinda say something about herself???
I think a lot of people are missing the point. I think Jenny is putting money into these young artists’ pockets…teaching them how to “cho yan”.
Picture Leoardo Dicaprio seeing Al Pacino or Jack Nicolson and just walk straight by them without a nod or smile…BUT knowing Leo, he has better sense than that :-).
The sad thing is most of these young HK artists have no problem showing their teeth if they’re in the present of someone like Eric Tsang.
@Lol: Funny you should say that because that is exactly what Jenny, which btw is omitted from the above article.
Jenny stressed: Her criticisms are actually cautionary reminder (tai dim) – “They are my gift to you.”
甄妮強調，她的這些批評，其實是提點，“是我送禮物給你”。
I think a couple of months back when Liza Wang was on Wong Hei’s show, she also said something like “putting money in your pocket”.
I think Liza Wang and Jenny Tseng seem quite similar, with high demands, and pretty blunt about their thoughts.
@Lol: OT – Just watched Leo’s Shutter Island rerun last night on tv. Boy, was he good!
Omg! You have to see him Django, but be prepare it’s Tarantini film :-). Amazing!
Tarantino
Jenny is very traditional. After her husband died, she never remarried. She conceived her daughter using her deceased husband’s sperm, which was kept in a bank intentionally for her to use. I admire her for her courage and of course, her talent. She’s just like Deborah Li, who both strongly emphasize respecting seniors or your elders, which is why in this day and age Nic still bows to his seniors, which hardly anyone does it anymore.
Youngsters in this day and age no longer understand the notion of acknowledgement. It’s not hard to make eye contact and then nod or wave, or just say hello.
How did you know “she conceived her daughter using her deceased husband’s sperm, which was kept in a bank intentionally for her to use.”? I have never read any related articles.
It’s in news articles everywhere, just type Jenny Tseng’s Chinese name and Melody. She has also admitted to this in October 2012 when she went on Taiwan’s variety program. She said she was able to conceive Melody through sperm-egg in-vitro fertilization. Before her husband’s death, they tried to have children, but she kept on having miscarriages.
In that case, I am very glad for her to conceive Melody using her late husband’s sperms. She never disclosed the name of Melody’s father, which made people have funny thoughts.
I don’t know why Jenny Tseng had to keep it as a secret until some 25 years later. It is not good for her daughter, Melody. People would “look at her with funny eyes”. It is just perfect for Jenny to conceive a daughter with her beloved late husband’s frozen sperms. Everyone would be so happy for her. Don’t understand why she had to make it a secret.
Was there rumours that the child was by another man?
Too many rumours …… because Jenny had some close boyfriends and one of them was a lawyer.
Yes, too many rumors. There are numerous articles on her sperm-egg in-vitro fertilization, while some alleged sperms were Fu Sheng’s, other said some other man’s. Though Melody mostly resembles Jenny she does have a look of Fu Sheng, too. (Saw her in Jenny’s concert dvd.)
Agree. Melody looks a bit like Fu Shing in some photos posted on Google. Not surprised if Fu Shing is her father. I just think Jenny Tseng should have announced after Melody was born. It would be better to her and Melody …… a devoted wife and a lovely child.
Can someone tell her that She, a baby boomer is different from the Gen X, Y and Z.
Common courtesy applies to all generations. Good Luck when you enter real world.
oh whatever man. has she got menopause or something? why the outburst now when she could of ranted years ago when it actually happened. whatever man. she seems like one of those old bats and b*tches who have been in their sad job for too long at work and complains about everything.
Maybe she didn’t rent years ago because reporter didn’t ask her. She now ranted because reporter asked her about G.E.M. Picking up on his juicy ‘news’, reporters might have continued to ask her who else is rude.
I think she reached her boiling point.
and jenny who?
Jenny Tseng is a lousy singer. I won’t to be her successor. Francis Yip so much and a lot beter
I think Jenny Tseng and Francis Yip are equally good.
You’re right. Different style, though both are big voices AND both equally GREAT. However Francis Yip seems more approachable. Jenny Tseng is scary, no doubt. But she is right. She comes from a generation of very good work ethics where entire career is based on not just talent, but hard work, work ethics and respecting seniors. I am sure she had her fair share of seniors reprimanding her during her younger years. Question is whether you listen and learn or ignore.
I also think Jenny and Francis are both just as good…
@Funn Lim:[I am sure she had her fair share of seniors reprimanding her during her younger years.]
Reprimand is an understatement. In the early years, Jenny was bashed harshly and derided mainly because of her relationship with Fu Sheng. But she overcame all that to become a legend in the Canto and Mando music world.
From the Chinese article:
[..]But what I want to say is this: The prerequisite for an artist is to have decorum. If (she) doesn’t even have self-cultivation, no matter how great she is, her future development will be limited….In the past, within 5 steps if I so happened upon You Ya (尤雅) I would immediately greet her with “You Jie’”
But indeed time has changed.
Ahhhh. The thing about respect, I always thought it was a mutual thing and not based on who was born earlier. I think if she treated those singers the way she wants to be treated, she would know.
This is a modern concept. Asian culture in the past generation put a lot of importance of respecting your elders. Jenny is from the older generation who was taught respect the elders.
Was she mixed with white? I think everyone should be treated equally dispite your age. It would be nice if everybody greets eachother but that will never happen. I agreed ppl need to be nicer and more polite but at the same time she should not let them bother her so much. I think it’s better if she keep these feelings to herself and not publicly annoucing it…is better to have friends then enemies unless they called her names then she have a case.
Her father is Australian White.
As per Wikipedia:
Jenny Tseng mostly known in Cantonese speaking regions as Yan Nei, is a Macau-born singer, based in Hong Kong for much of her career. Her father is Austrian while her mother is Chinese.
@sandcherry
Yes, you’re right. It should be Austrian. Her father is Austrian White.
As per Wikipedia, Jenny Tseng’s birth name was Yan Suk Si(甄淑詩). If her father was Austrian, why did she not have an Austrian last name? Very strange! “Yan” is a Chinese last name. Perhaps she was named after her mother’s last name (her mother was not married officially).
@sandcherry
Her parents are divorced. Yan is a made up name. Her real surname after her mother is Chen.
@sandcherry,
I’m confused myself. But her father is White, whom she has not contact with.
Cloud
Thanks for your info. I guess I am too outdated on media news.
Jenny confidently said, “So far, I have not found anyone who can be my successor!
Does that mean, she is the only singer in the world that no others successor can overtake yet? She is too arrogant! If she wants others to respect her, then she should respect others artists and be like Paula Tsui who is ever graceful and elegant.
Has she forgotten how successful Faye Wong, Sandy Lam & Sally Yeh that she thinks still cant succeed her?
She said “In the past, I never had the chance to brush the floors or clean the tables, but now these have become my hobbies. Don’t steal my broom if you don’t want to get on my bad side.” Yes, she should instead go brush, mop and clean the floor at home if she is so happy with and not go firing others artists
“Yea, she asks her broom not to be stolen or else she starts firing for taking her broom” …. Sorry, even if given free also, we dont want take it
Successor in terms of voice and singing skill.
Truth is Jenny is right. No successor for her type of voice. Like no successor for Anita Mui’s type of performer. Paula Tsui, Faye Wong, Sandy Lam, Sally Yeh are all sorta same genre with each other BUT not Jenny. You can say Jenny is like Aretha Franklin sort whilst Sandy Lam, Paula Tsui etc is like Whitney Houston sort. Kinda different genre so she is right to say no one can be her successor. It may sound arrogant but with her decades in the business and her consistency, she has earned the right to brag.
Jenny may sound a bit arrogant but I agree that she has been in the industry for a long time and have proven herself. Therefore, I think she deserves to brag since it is true that maybe no one can succeed her…
I honestly don’t think Faye Wong, Sandy Lam, and Sally Yeh’s talent matches Jenny. If a guy could be her successor, it would be Jacky Cheung.
Agree …………”don’t think Faye Wong, Sandy Lam, and Sally Yeh’s talents match Jenny’s”.
The only one that I can think of is Teresa Carpio. Frances Yip is very compatible as well.
None of the younger generation has a voice like Jenny’s. I think Teresa Carpio belongs to the same generation (Jenny Tseng is 59 and Teresa Carpio is 56). Teresa is only 3 years younger than Jenny, but she started at a younger age. Jenny sang more Cantopop and Mandarin pop, while Teresa sang more English pop.
What about Maria Cordero?
Personally I don’t like Maria Cordero, not the same class to me.
True that Teresa Carpio & Deanie Ip & Jenny Tseng & Francis Yip belongs to “Aretha Franklin” genre divas as their appeals to the “oldie” baby-boomer (so they got their own mass appeal); while Faye Wong, Sally Yeh, Sandy Lam & Shirley Kwan are the “Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston & Janet Jackson & Madonna” Gen-X (mass appeal)…thats why she cant said her “baby-boomer” genre is the best as Gen-X singers have its own mass appeal to the youngers audiences too…so, she should said ” my “baby-boomer” generation no successor yet & not “no successor overall mass appeal”
@ pepe69
She didn’t say “no successor overall mass appeal” either.
@ Funn
I don’t like Maria Cordero’s singing style and voice when I was little (when she sang that ‘Prison on Fire’ themesong). But, now that I listen to her again, I started to appreciate her singing and find that her style is perfect for the song.
@ Kidd
Reporters asked her about todays industry’s singers (which covers until Gen-Y also) and not limit to her generation singers..
I still remember Jenny not respectful comment when reporters ask her about Anita Mui passing… Anita Mui is a “asia madonna” diva but jenny comment about Anita is so arrogant…
What did Jenny Tseng say?
Maria and the others named all belong to a time when women sang out loud and clear and crisp and all. Nowadays, I notice many are whispering or you know, like a kitten. But I am frankly not a fan of big voices, as in shouting for no reasons but all the women named in here sang loud but not shout.
Oh Kidd, you gotta be clear when you reply to mine as in @ Funn Lim because Funn is now a hijacked name. When I see in the comments page I may not know it is meant for me.
@ Funn
I’m same with you. I don’t like singers belting for no reason. That’s why I’m not a fan of many belters that are praised so much in American Idol. Belting inappropriately ruined the song.
@sandcherry, i think elisa chan kit ling is also as good as jenny.
Shu:
Personally I don’t like Elisa Chan Kit-Ling. She shouts when she sings loud. First she does not have the voice to sing loud, and her words (especially in English) are never clear. She is in no comparison to Jenny Tseng, Teresa Carpio and Frances Yip. These singers have big voices; they sing well when they sing lout. Some singers try to sing loud, but they don’t have the voice, and Chan Kit Ling is one of them.