Was Charmaine Sheh Robbed of the TV Queen Title?
After the 45th TVB Anniversary Awards concluded on December 17, complaints have already poured in questioning the fairness of the results. Wayne Lai’s (黎耀祥) third Best Actor award came as a surprise to many expecting Raymond Lam (林峰) to win instead. Now Tavia Yeung’s (楊怡) Best Actress win is also speculated to be an “tampered” result. It was rumored that Charmaine Sheh (佘詩曼) may be the rightful winner instead.
According to results released by TVB, there were 1.543 million total votes placed for the Anniversary Awards voting over a one-week span. Wayne Lai received 114,947 votes and Tavia Yeung received 110,795 votes. When Heaven Burns <天與地> unexpectedly won the Best Series award with 84,472 votes.
Charmaine Sheh Sacrificed?
A TVB insider revealed that Charmaine Sheh had in fact received the most votes for Best Actress due to the popularity of When Heaven Burns. However, Charmaine is no longer a TVB managed artist, thus the results were allegedly “adjusted” to make Tavia Best Actress instead.
Raymond Lam Fans Upset
Overnight, TVB received 24 complaints over the unfairness of the Best Actor results. Fans, who were in disbelief that Raymond Lam lost the popular vote despite his sizable fan base, urged to examine the results of all the votes placed.
TVB Will Not Reveal Complete Voting Results
TVB Deputy Director of External Affairs, Tsang Sing Ming (曾醒明), immediately pacified cries of unfairness over the voting results, although he said the company will not reveal the complete votes each nominee had received.
Regarding questions as to why the number of votes for Wayne and Tavia had a significant gap from the total pool of 1.543 million votes, Tsang Sing Ming explained, “There were a total of 1.543 million votes, not unique voters. The voters may not have participated in voting for all three categories. They may have only voted in one awards category. There were 10 finalists for Best Actor, 10 finalists for Best Actress, and 24 nominees for Best Series. So the results are proportional.”
Tsang added that TVB did not “pump up” any votes and that all results were fair.
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Probably and maybe.
The voting system can be unpredictable. It could be rigged or it could be that kenneth and Ray’s fans divided the majority vote and so Wayne gained the most votes. Moreover he is rather popular to TV audiences.
As for Charmaine, I can’t be sure she was set to win. She is popular but perhaps out of sight out of mind for some voters.
I agree the voting can be unpredictable — we don’t know which demographic groups voted and which way the vote might split or whether strategical voting came into play. Also given the large number of nominees (10 nominees each for the acting awards and 24 nominees for Best Drama) you don’t need a landslide to achieve victory. Best Actor/Actress could theoretically be won with 11% of the vote and Best Drama with just 5% of the vote.
WHB’s win and Charmaine’s loss still makes me wonder though. Taken by themselves both results aren’t surprising. WHB was supposedly a cult favourite amongst netizens, so it’s certainly capable of winning an online poll. Charmaine was hardly on the TVB radar this year, so again not surprising that she might lose. But taken together it becomes odd to me, because it seems incongruous that voters rewarded recently broadcast performances for Best Actor/Actress yet went the other extreme to reward a drama that was broadcast right at the beginning of the year.
But voting behaviour can be unpredictable so yeah, I dunno.
The system is not transparent at all. If this is a fair game, there is no reason for TVB do not reveal out where the votes go to. This indicate that they are hiding the truth.
TVB REVEALS THAT WAYNE LAI HAS 149,947 VOTES (MAKE UP 7,449% OF VOTES ) OF 1542922 VOTES IN TOTAL
NOW WE ASSUME ALL 10 PEOPLE I TOP 10 HAVE HIGHEST VOTES WITH 114947 VOTES OF WAYNE LAI , SO WE HAVE JUST 1,149,470 VOTES, THAT IS TOO MUCH LESS THAN 1,542,922 VOTES IN TOTAL AS TVB REVEALS, EVEN ASSUME EVERYONE HAS HIGHEST VOTES OF WAYNE LAI????????????????/
THIS IS SO UNFAIR , SO RIDICULOUS????????????????????
THIS RESULT CAN NOT MAKE SENSE?????????
WHy does it not make sense?
Some just voted for one category or either 2 categories.
It was not required to vote all 3 categories.
All I can say is please stop shouting. It’s hard to read your post and I stopped reading it halfway coz it hurts my eyes.
LOL Same here.
1.5 million is the amount of votes in total for each category, not the number of people who voted. TVB is not that stupid to give us the vote count if there was something wrong the math.
That is true I didn’t vote for best actor and best actress.
If you want to get your point across, it’s better not to write all in caps. It’s very hard to read.
Maybe TVB should hire another audit firm.
Why not reveal the total for each category, subtotal for each nominee instead of total for all votes?
Because then it’s harder to “adjust” the results of course. I find the outcomes rather unlikely, and I find it suspicious, that TVB won’t show complete transparency.
Yeah exactly. I don’t understand why the results cannot be revealed…
This just makes them seem like they’re hiding something.
Is your caps lock button broken? It is possible to have a decent argument without screaming.
I think WHB won best series bc TVB wanted to give the voting system credibility i.e. even low ratings can win. Besides the producer & scriptwriter have already announced their departure right i.e not a bargaining chip.
Was fast-forwarding the award show and is the “outstanding award” thing new this yr? I loved Benz speech “I only care abt the salary” haha. The only reason TVB is giving Benz, Sunny & Lee recognition is prolly bc TVB is afraid of them leaving in favor of CTI (kinda weird that Sunny got one).
Even though im convinced that the award show is rigged to some extent, TVB tried to act fairly towards the “deserving” artists. I guess the artists and their fans should thank CTI, bc without the threat TVB would’ve continued their act.
The Outstanding Artists Award was the best award of the night, hands down. I was so happy for all those winners. The best thing about that award was that no one knew they were going to win it. Second moment was to see the KMW vs. Power Chan race for Best Supporting Actor.
I’m still hoping for the day when we would get a consolidated television awards ceremony in Hong Kong. Don’t know if that will happen any time in the future though… but if CTI becomes a success, maybe?
Yeah, was surprised but on the other hand I guess their contracts with TVB will expire soon.
CTI is still waiting for the license and I doubt TVB wants a consolidation. I don’t know too many factors to consider.
One interesting thing to me about this year’s awards is that unlike some previous years, there are no multiple winners this year, whether among the artistes or among the dramas. There are seven different dramas (WHB, TC, SSSS, DID, GCO, THC, HAL) represented by the seven winners of the four acting awards, the two Favourite Character awards plus Best Drama. The two anniversary series (TC and SSSS) got Best Actor and Best Actress respectively, very neat.
Whether this is deliberate on TVB’s part is anybody’s guess.
That could be deliberate. It’s split pork chop awards ceremony to keep people happy and avoid jumping ship to CTI?
Not just the actors, but also the audience.
Charmaine Sheh Robbed of the TV Queen Title
Jeez, some people sure have alot to complain about. Cant they just be happy with the results like i am :)anyways…
Although charmaine is quite popular in hongkong her disadvantages of leaving tvb and her series whb broadcasted almost a year ago hindered her chances for tvb BA queen.
I believe tvb was fair regarding the results as it would have probably been a better idea for the company if they awarded Best Actor to raymond instead of wayne for the third time. IMO
It would *not* have been a better idea to award LF; TVB must be aware that doing so will only increase the number of haters and backlash.
Totally fair. Everybody got the award. Last year was really unfair when Kevin & Myolie got all the awards even though their performances were ok in the series.
but I think either Kenneth or Raymond should get best actor although Wayne was deserved.
I believe so too. This year, everyone who got an award was deserving, unlike last year. Not saying that Myolie and Kevin are horrible, but their acting skills are not SOO good that they sweep all the awards.
She was robbed? No. Although I’m a big fan of Kenneth Ma, I believed Raymond Lam was robbed of the TV King from Wayne Lai. If you look at the statistics carefully and actually took time to base it from everything, it shouldn’t be such a wide gap, and Raymond would of won. This voting system is still rigged, and only used by TVB as a coverup so their “selection” of the winners won’t be criticized.
If Lf was robbed of the title by Wayne but why Txb? why didnt they give it to LF since he is a milking cow? lol
The confidant’s finale aired right before the tvb awards. Its not that surprising that Wayne Lai got last minute votes.
agree to Godon!
to say Raymond was robbed by Wayne based on their acting is a joke. High and Low was a good series but not because of Raymond’s performace. Wayne, on the other hand was great in his performace in TC. He really brought the character to life.
Disagree. Wayne Lai’s performance in “The Confidant” was not outstanding at all. He was a little bit more than a support actor and he could not impress us as “The Confidant”. The best actor in that drama series was Chan Kwok Pong. I don’t believe that he had a bigger fan base than Raymond Lam.
As far as Charmaine Sheh is concerned, I agree that she was robbed of her “Best Actress” award. It is very very strange that people voted for an unpopular drama series “When Heaven Burns” for Best Drama Series and not the lead artiste Charmaine Sheh, and Charmaine did an outstanding job in “WHB”.
I think TVB wanted to promote either Tavia Yeung or Kate Tsui this year, and had to ignore the number of votes cast on Charmaine Sheh. Charmaine does have a huge fan base which will not be smaller than Tavia Yeung’s for sure.
Considering the online polls, the magazines (Mingpao, Apple Daily, etc), Charmaine was leading in many of them. Of course, these polls only garnered a decent fraction of the votes in the official votes. But I do highly suspect that Charmaine didn’t get her award because
1. She only does 1 series per year.
2. She wasn’t even there on the night.
That’s why the award most likely went to the person with the second highest amount of votes; Tavia. Just my opinion.
And Wayne does deserve to win over Raymond. He didn’t impress you but he did impress me. While his acting was weaker in TC than say, NG, he was still great. Clearly better than Raymond.
Like some say, Raymond might just have more ‘active’ fans while Wayne has fans who don’t exactly embrace it or something. idk. While I agree about Charmaine’s issue, I didn’t mind Tavia winning.
Well, huge fan base does not translate to winning as demonstrated by Ray’s loss. IMHO THC was robbed for best series. I believe those who voted for Tavia are either voting for SSSS or THC, thus splitting the votes. My theory is based on the number of votes cast for WHB – 84472 (considering if all of these votes went to Charmaine), thus who voted for Tavia are either voting for SSSS or THC. It will be interesting to see the margin of winning if TBB disclose the votes whether in % or numbers.
I disagree that people who voted for Tavia must have voted for THC/SSSS or people who voted for WHB definitely voted for Charmaine.
Some voters might have just voted in 1 category and doesn’t care the other 2 category. Some Tavia voters might love Tavia’s acting but like another series. Same can be said of WHB and Charmaine Sheh.
People, who voted for Charmaine Sheh, might NOT vote for “When Heaven Burns” because it was a very low viewership rating drama series, but not the other way round. People, who voted for “WHB”, would surely vote for Charmaine Sheh because of her outstanding performance in this drama series.
How about Damian Lau’s acting in “SSSS” vs. Wayne Lai’s in “The Confidant”? Damian’s was obviously way better than Wayne’s. Why was he not given the Best Actor title? Was it considered fair at all?
If Wayne’s weak performance in “The Confidant” got him the Best Actor title again, I don’t think TVB will have anyone else who can beat Wayne Lai in the next few years. Mature actors, like Damian Lau, was not awarded the Best Actor title, and their siu sangs’ acting are too weak. Surely Wayne Lai will be TVB’s TV King in the next 5+ years. If he could beat anyone with his weak performance, he will surely beat anyone with his good performance in future.
Damian was better but do remember, Arthur is not a very likeable character hence lesser votes.
We voted for Best Actor with Best Acting, and not the Best Likable Character. I hope people did understand the meaning of ACTING.
“People, who voted for “WHB”, would surely vote for Charmaine Sheh “
No, this is not true. As I said before, someone voted for WHB and Linda Chung.
Please also note that Best Series category has 24 nominees while Best Actress only has 10. Tavia has 3 series in the running. It was bound to spread the vote thin among Tavia fans.
Charmaine, on the other hand, has only 2 series running. The spread is not as thin. Coupled with WHB’s own cult fans, I don’t think it’s impossible for WHB to win Best Series but Charmaine not win Best Actress.
What no…Charmaine was definitely not robbed of the best actress award. Yes, her acting overall was good, but so is Tavia’s. I found Charmaine kind of annoying in WHB tbh. Clearly, Charmaine fans are just being super bitter that Tavia won. Really, couldn’t you guys be more supportive?
Tavia Yeung’s acting was only good in the first 1/4 and the last 1/4 of “SSSS”. Her acting in the middle was very bland and boring after she married Chung Cheuk Man. She was nothing except an obedient, tame, nice and soft-spoken 4th wife. She did not shine at all among the other three wives.
The number of Tavia’s votes might have resulted from the total number of votes in all her drama series in 2012.
Personally I think Charmaine’s acting in “WHB” was awesome in the whole drama series.
The person claims based on statistics, not acting
Um those teen fan girls who are crazy about Raymond Lam. His acting is so plain. There is no variation. It doesn’t matter what characters he play, he seems to carry the same aura. I was really rooting for Wayne Lai or Damian Lau ( cmon this veteran is amazing). Wayne Lai really gave made Li Lian Ying loveable. . which is not historically accurate. Nonetheless it’s a different approach.
Raymond Lam’s a mediocre actor at best. Of the top five, he cannot match Wanye and Damian in terms of acting. Even Kenneth did a much better job than Raymond.
Indeed. Kenneth did such a better job than Raymond. I’m relieved that he didn’t win. His role in Highs and Lows wasn’t that awesome to be honest.
Oh please. are you saying Kenneth’s sad or pity look in THC is better than Raymond? It’s so fake.
if you say Wayne acting better than Raymond…i am okay with it…But Kenneth better than Raymond…no way…Kenneth look the same when he act as “deeply in love with the girl” …
Yeah…Raymond Lam still got long way to go.
I feel it is still fair for Wayne Lai to get best actor among all of them . I do agree only teen fan gals crazy about him .
Nah, I know a number of see lais (including my mum) who love him, much to my chagrin.
i am okay Wayne win..but Raymond has a lot of mid-age woman fans too… i am one of them…i am married with two girl in 10 years old!
agree to AL. I am 40Plus and I prefer Raymond acting and my husband like him also!
No way… she is so boring. Another over-rated actor(ress)
So, I guess your a big fan of the in your face big nose girl. 😛
Boring or not a matter of preference.
You know one has lost the argument when one resorts to personal attacks. Big nose girl ? Very nice.
Well you’re wrong. For some reason i’m not big a fan of Tavia Yeung… Though can’t quite put my finger on it.
I find her acting a bit contrived yet she has had some good performances.
Charmaine is to the point annoying.
I didn’t name names… 😛
Really, I’m no fan of tivia…but she’s in the business for a while and her acting is better than a lot of what’s left at TVB, so her winning the award is no biggie…TVB just gives it to whom ever they want anyways.
i love the word ‘boring’ described on her. her acting is so dull and have not improved. the only this that has obviously change is her nose which has gone bigger over the years!
i meant tavia. i hate to see her nose and her mouth especially crying scenes.
haha.. actually, i like her nose.
What i do feel is that she tries too hard to the point of desperation which has an off putting effect.
Actually, her acting has improved with her nose. She looks prettier than the past.
Tavia Yeung’s performance in “SSSS” was adequate in the first 1/4 and the last 1/4 of the drama series, but her performance in the middle was very very boring (i.e. right after she married Chung Cheuk Man and before Chung Cheuk Man got his 5th girlfriend). Her acting could no way be compared to Charmaine’s as Hazel Yip in “WHB”.
agree! seriously, she has not improved on her performance at all. probably her winning is due to her involvement in the few top series. otherwise, she won’t make it for BA.
if Tavia in SSSS was boring, Sheh in WHB was really really boring. Sheh crying scence was such the pain in the ass.
Kate should get best actress.
Kate? Are u serious? She is plain and boring.
Ha ha. Her acting sucks. Even Fala is better than Kate. And Fala isn’t that good of an actress.
I think nancy wu is even better than Kate. Kate should be best supporting actress.
Fala better than Kate??? Are you kidding me???
No.
If Charmine Shen & “When Heaven Burn” wins in various polls WHY only “When Heaven Burn” win Best Drama and WHY Not Charmaine Sheh for TVB Queen ?
Indeed Charmaine Sheh robbed of the TVB Queen Title
Pinocchio Plastic women win TV Queen by the backdoor TVX
After Heaven Burn – save yr personal critic to yrself coz it is an embarassment to discuss with someone as lower class as u.
@ alex said WHB Boring
So u going to tell me more than 80,000 in Hong Kong watch WHB because suffering from INSOMNIA, by watching so boring drama will fall to sleep?
You had insulted my intelligent ..hahaha
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Hey LyNN
me Low class …lol
Let debate , stop being RACISM !!
How does this relate to racism? Any who cares if Charmaine actually won the votes. Charmaine is no longer under TVB and TVB wouldn’t want her to win so obviously they would give to the second place. No matter who is the winner among the nominations TVB would not give Charmaine the award.
@ Pop :- How does this relate to racism?
Answer : – From LyNN says:
After Heaven Burn – save yr personal critic to yrself coz it is an embarassment to discuss with someone as lower class as u.
Ooooo…. Mean Lynn. Lol!
no tavia was not boring in the middle of SSSS, her character was but she was a good actress thats why she won.
Kate no way maybe a few more years.
After Heaven Burn – u sound provoked about being called as lower class even tho i dun care a bit of yr race but u named is racism. U are lower class for naming an artist pinocchio plastic. U are nobody in the first place. Pathetic!
Her Lynn just likes to argue about anything.
Acting is not easy and does any of you act for living or for interest? The actress and actors are fine, otherwise you all would be the actors and actresses.
Agreed To sandcherry ” Her acting could no way be compared to Charmaine’s as Hazel Yip in “WHB”.
They had different characters how could you compare? Also Charmaine is her senior. Then would you compare Charmaine to Kenix Kwok in DIF 1, 2 then would Charmaine ever be able to fill Kenix’s shoes as Jessie?
Sophia,
you are right that they had different characters but of course you can still compare this two actresses. If not then how in the world can there be awards like Oscars and so on. I mean they compare different actress acting skills which is most natural and brings out the character most. And to say that Charm is tav senior I don’t know if I will say it like that. Charm won MHK 97 and signed to TVB 98 and started her acting career 99. Tav graduated from TVB Artistes Training Course in 98 which means Tav should be Charms senior and not the other way around. Tav had trained for acting which charm didn’t.
It’s hard to say if Charm can fill kenix’s shoes as jessie in DIF 1,2. When Kenix filmed DIF she had already filmed over 5 different series. when charm filmed DIF 4 she had just filmed 2 other series. And her 4th serie was Return of the Cuckoo which she recived recognition for her outstanding performance. So if you ask me I would say Charm may have had the potential to fill in Kenix’s shoes as Jessie after RTOC.
I support TVB because it is reasonable to give TV king and TV queen to their actors/actresses. Why TVB has to promote for Chinese market by giving TV queen to CS; she has left HKTV why we bother to give her TV queen in HK. TVB is doing business and it need money from audience to pay salary to their employees; giving CS TV queen then people will all go to watch Chinese series how can TVB survival?
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Cantoneses speakers like myself still enjoy watching HK stuff. I do watch the China stuff once in a while, but that’s really once in a while, if there is something worth the while.
Vann:
So what you are saying is doesn’t matter who is a better actos just that you are signed to TVB you can get the award. Then please remove the titel as best actress/ actor b/c is not awarded to the best is awarded to who ever TVB want to. and it’s not true about CS leaving TVB she still have a contract with TVB just that her main focus are in mainland china instead of TVB.
Meh. I’m not the least surprised by this. Numerous public polls were conducted and Charmaine won most of them. She’ll never get Best Actress again since she left TVB, they won’t let her.
Remind u. Public online polls are for any fans tat are very free n casted repeating votes. Unfortunately such unfairness did not happen in tvb voting system coz voter must have valid HK ID n valid mobile phone n can only cast one vote per ID. Perhaps u dont mind spamming the online polls for yr idol sake but pls have some moral. Respect public’s verdict n dont be such sobber!
@ LyNN use your head :-
If Charmine Shen & “When Heaven Burn” wins in various polls WHY only “When Heaven Burn” win Best Drama and WHY Not Charmaine Sheh for TVB Queen ?
Indeed Charmaine Sheh robbed of the TVB Queen Title
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LyNN you like to jump the gun and attack people like comment by variel
variel share his/her opinion and u just forking shoot at ppl calling ppl low moral and sober .
Who the hell u think u r
@After_Heaven_burn you like to jump the gun and attack Tavia too. Makes no difference.
Tavia winning BA and u just forking shoot at her saying that she shouldn’t get the award. Same goes to you dude, same goes to you.
@ Pop
Do your research on comment before comment, did I call out Tavia or Kate ?
Did I shoot at ppl calling ppl lower moral and sober.
Stop attack ppl by calling names
Ehhhh?… I didn’t say u shoot at ppl calling them lower moral than sober? I never said that dude. And no I would not use my time to research your comment dumb one.
After heaven burns- u smell through a comp? Wow! U r dumb and stupid!
@ Pop
I may be dumb, but I’m not stupid.
As mentioned before, Wayne’s acting was ok but always exaggerated. It was reported that he played eunuch’s parts many times before and to me TC is just ‘instant replay’. Damian, on the other hand, is one true veteran with tried & tested varied roles. He was one of the hottest siusangs (like Michael Mui) all those years ago and yet both of them are still just as hot today. Damian should have won and not Wayne. BTW Raymond shouldn’t win because most of his votes would have been fan based (for his singing) and not acting.
I fancy Tavia has lost even more weight because she resembled Angelina Jolie (big head and small body). Her face is slimmer, eyes and nose bigger. Her acting has improved I must admit but poor Charmaine is in the black book after leaving tvb. But then again, tvb is responsible for Charmaine leaving because they gave Sheren Teng the award a second time when it should have been CS. And with that Sheren uprooted and left whereas CS would have stayed and gave us more series.
in 2010, Sheren Teng got the best actress award. It was the right choice. Sheh’s acting in “Can’t buy me love” was not as good as Sheren in “no regrets”.
Tavia resembled Angelina Jolie?.LMAO !
She more towards SI-LAI or kept Mistress role
LMAO 2010 was the fairest result save for best supporting actress where angela auntie was robbed by fala imo. Sheren in No regrets was so much better than Charmaine in Can’t buy me love.
Agree. Elena Kong was robbed of the Best Supporting Actress award in “Beauty Knows No Pain” by Fala Chen, but Sheren’s performance in “No Regrets” was definitely much better than Charmaine’s in “Can’t Buy Me Love” which was a silly drama series.
I understand rumors of TVB rigging the best actress award but what incentive is there to rig the best actor award? Wayne has won 2 time before and he obviously has no plans to leave TVB. What good does rigging the vote to give him a third award do?
And if TVB did rig the votes, don’t you all think they would have rigged it to let another series besides When Heaven Burns win? The producer and writer of the show are both leaving TVB and they both badmouthed the company to newspapers over the past year. The fact that WHB won is proof enough the votes were not rigged.
I’m never one to care about conspiracy theories. We will never truly know if the votes were or were not tamperered with so why get worked up about it? Just be happy for the winners.
totally agree w you. Never know the truth in any voting systems (not only in TVB award)
why do (Raymond Lam & Charm Sheh) fans always talk about their big fan base?
I am getting annoyed because of this.
I really dont like When heaven burns at all. But the drama got the best series award. I am fine with that.
Bcoz they are sore losers n pathetic!
Probably, I suppose anyone humane are familiar with TVB’s style of their rules n games, rite!
Hello, please be realistic. It’s not about how large your idol’s fan base is which could guarantee a win. People watch TVB drama for years for reasons e.g. storyline, acting skill, etc. Please accept the fact that Wayne and Tavia are the best actor and actress TVB could have right now.
This year, Wayne has quite a few series, and so is tavia. The nomination might not reflect the best performance they gave the whole year, but the audience knows, so they most likely don’t care too much about 1 performance in 1 drama, rather the total performance in a whole year, that’s probably why tavia wins. Idm CS! But sometimes, her characters do annoyed me, I quite like tavia more, she does her crying scene very well. Anyway, ppls will never be happy lol, this year award does seem to be spread out, and that’s good. Guess we just let the whiners whine for a bit xD
there’s a reason why we name some ppl “sore-losers”. oh well, Tavia & Wayne are certainly the most deserving winners for TVB Queen & King this year. they both have always treated the voting system with a modest attitude & they don’t campaign as hardcore as you know who!
what Wayne said was very right – Audience won’t vote for u based on your campaigns but they would vote for the artist they have the most lasting impression & felt deserving for the title. so what if you have many fans who go down the street & yell for your name? how many audience that vote are those that sit at home to watch tv and not to idolize the artist?
and Kenneth has quoted – everyone has their own hidden fans. don’t judge based on what you see on the streets. how many percentage of such fans make up the total of HK population? oh please!
and Tavia has never campaign or ask for votes but many veteran & great actors/actresses have casted their votes or even publicly supported her. Michelle Yim was said to be hot contender BUT she said she supported Tavia instead. Linda said she is not confident of winning BA BUT supported Tavia. Kate has asked Myolie to vote for her BUT Myolie told the media that she has given her personal vote to Tavia. Fala, Sharon, Damian, Kenneth, Mary, Elena, Alice Chan & many more artists/producers/directors have also tried to campaign for Tavia. so tell me, who is the winner after all? even if Tavia is not crowned as TVB Queen, she already won in many hearts – a fact nobody can deny!
It is because Tavia is the most senior (length of service, not acting) fadan among the top five. She should be in line to get a Best Actress award after Myolie Wu who won last year. TVB just let them have them turn. It will be Kate Tsui, Fala Chen, or Linda Chung next year and the years after.
Lemme guess I think it would Linda and fala next year as fala has TITS2 and Linda has the ferry wheel thing and the one with Rico.
*ruco
don’t forget Myolie’s Rosy Business 3
Wayne Lai will surely win Best Actor again in “Rosy Business 3”.
Don’t forget ……. “Rosy Business 3” will be produced by Lee Tim Sing and script written by Cheung Wah Piu. Wayne’s character will surely be very good, likable and impressive.
LyNN, agree with your comments. TY and WL definitely deserve to be TVB queen and king. When TY wins the award, alot of ppl congrat her and her speech is rather humble and touching. Why want to add on she is senior or not? Most important is she can act. COngrat to both TY and WL!
If Charmine Shen & “When Heaven Burn” wins in various polls WHY only “When Heaven Burn” win Best Drama and WHY Not Charmaine Sheh for TVB Queen ?
Indeed Charmaine Sheh robbed of the TVB Queen Title
BOO TO TAVIA , WINING BY TVB BACKDOOR
@After_Heaven_Burns BOOO! U repeated a comment on a same page. Annoying!
why say so? Tavia and Wayne both did extremely well. Why say ‘tampered’?
Tavia and Wayne both deserved the award.
I think Tavia performed really well in SSSS. And Wayne’s winning slap others shut. I love the results 🙂
If ‘tampered’ i would say When Heaven Burns didnt’ deserve to win. What lousy drama. Frens eating Fren’s body n ended up loving the same one girl. No meaning at all.
totally agree
but my opinion,
all three category had the right choice
It all depends how much expectation you hope to get from a drama series. “When Heaven Burns” was surely the best drama series, best storyline, best dialogues, best acting, best photography, best scenes, best music, and best production. People needed to have high expectation before they could appreciate and enjoy this drama series. Sorry, you folks. You guys just appreciate and enjoy the every day drama series.
I totally agree! WHB had such a lower viewership rating, yet it still won best series.
Any other series people campaigning for it Facebook and forums?
Viewership ratings only count the TV viewers. It didn’t count MyTV.
Totally agree with chrissy. Both of them deserve the TVB king and queen award.
I would belived the best actor award is based on votes but the best actress award it could be belonged to Charmaine since Tavia is biological daughter of TVB.
If Tavia didn’t get best actress, the award should not belong to Sheh since her acting was not really improved. Best actress should be Michelle Yim. Sheh’s acting is not as good as Michelle.
Did you watch “The Confidant” at all? Michelle Yim is a very good actress, but her performance in “The Confidant” was not great at all. You’d better watch the drama series first before you make comments.
Charmaine’s performance in “When Heaven Burns” was outstanding with tons of inner emotions. Personally I think it was her best drama series so far. She definitely deserved to win the Best Actress award in it.
Disagree. Michelle was great in TC. Like Charmaine, her performance was filled with ‘tons of inner emotions’. Just didn’t like the way TVB did her character; I wanted more cruelty from Cixi.
Interesting at all the positive comments about Charmaine’s performance. I personally feel her performance was a tad pretentious but the series is pretentious. But not more than the most pretentious Master Of Play. But I won’t deny her popularity. However I can understand why Tavia won.
Again you assume only young adults are voting. If all those “si lais” vote, then Tavia is the rightful winner because I can’t imagine “si lais” and uncles watching this series called When Heaven Burns. Don’t underestimate the power and numbers of the si lais and ah suk!
Why Michelle Yim she is not a biological daughter either..TVb.
Mature artistes don’t care much because they already have their marketability. Everyone knows them well in the entertainment industry.
To the old artists who cares the tvb awards…mainland market better prospect…but to newly crown yes to them…for better salary & promotion lo..
Wayne is popular, at least in HK. see 2009 TVB.COM popular awards
considered all WHB votes for Charmaine, it is still 80k plus.
Agree. Even if all WHB voters voted for Charmaine, it is still only 80k plus. One can say that there’s still Charmaine’s own fans. So, should add her fans to the 80k. But, I think many of her fans already in the 80k.
Quoting Wyman Wong: 宁愿拿不到时别人替你遗憾，好过人觉得你不值。
I don’t like how fans automatically complain when their favourite artists didn’t get the awards. Tavia deserved that award and Charmaine’s complaining fans should just keep quiet. They can continue supporting whoever they want, but that doesn’t mean they should just claim that the voting was rigged.
And it very ironic how WHB got the best series award when it had one of the LOWEST viewership ratings. So is that rigged too?!!!? Double standards.
*it was very
The results should have been decided by public votes, and not by TVB. Right?
It would make more sense if the awards were designated by TVB because they were always biased. It just did not make good sense to many people to have that kind of results based on public voting system.
Completely agree. All winners deserved their places this year and people should just accept it.
for sure Charmaine get more vote than Tavis and for sure Raymond get more vote than Wayne…TVB can still give the award to whoever it like…BUT…Charmine don’t need this award anymore…she is going for China market…Wayne does act good…so either I am Raymond’s fans…I feel a bit sad but okay…Raymond want to go for China market too…so wish he bigger success in China and in filming industry…
yeah they can all go to China market & u can continue being so skeptical.
Do not mention about the vote, it’s just for fun.
Anw, I think Tavia deserves this award. She had to begin with very small roles. Charmaine’s role in WHB is ok but not enough to win,and its even worse than the role of princess in Cant buy me love
In my personal opinion, I do think Tavia deserved the crown as the best actress and I’ve been watching TVB series since I was young and I’ve seen her acting improved throughout the years. As for Charmaine, she is also a great actress but her role in WHB wasn’t strong enough to push her to be crowned. I do kind of agree that it is unfair that Wayne won Best Actor for the 3rd time BUT compared to Raymond’s role in High and Lows, I think Wayne did a way better job acting in The Confidant so yes it is unfair but he deserved it as well.
Tavia don’t deserved the award on SSSS, but her acting ‘On Call 366’ much better. I agree if she win based on On Call 366 but NOT SSSS
Tavia deserve the award, she’s always consistent. As for Charmaine, we hardly see her anymore lately so that could be the reason plus WHB was like too long ago- people forget easily unless she’s their favourite all along.
As for Wayne, I do understand why he won, he has fans ranging from all ages. But I dont think he should have won for TC because his role in TC is just not “interesting or heroic” enough!LF’s role (Highs & Lows) in comparsion is more interesting.
But better Wayne than Kenneth though! Anyway congrats to all winners. Only regret is that Power Chan did not win- very disappointed!!!!
well-said!!! very happy for all the winners esp Tavia but am also disappointed with Power’s lost 🙁 Other than this, I’m also disappointed that Elena was not listed as top 2 in Best Supporting Actress category.
I am also disappointed with Power’s loss and Elena was not listed as top 2 in Best Supporting Actress category.
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Same with me!
How could Mandy Wong beat Elena Kong in acting? Very unbelievable! Elena Kong’s acting could easily beat Nancy Wu’s.
It seems that Elena Kong got nominated every year in the last 3 years, but she was never the “chosen” one by TVB.
I’m disappointed with Power’s lost as well. Really liked him in TC. But I’m still happy for Koo Ming Wah.
i personally think that the voting thing is not unfair and tvb did not do anything to it. i am just dissapointed that this whole thing is according to whole big your fanbase is. isn’t the results by judges+audience good?? like last year. and if the audience like the one they think acted well, then kenneth ma would have got best actor cuz his character won isn’t it?? this shows that the best actor is not according to your acting or what tbh. and i like yangyi just that it might be true that tvb secretly disqualified charmaine )):
Who could verify the real truth? I know they had hired public auditors to count the votes, but TVB was still their boss who could have a final say. It was not a crime even if TVB wanted to hide some truth. Right?
If TVB hide the truth and rigged the results , it consider public deception and they commit fraud act bcause they announced and promise the public it was 100 audience vote. It can consider business crime and ICAC will take action.
If TVB says 100% vote, then boss can’t have final say. It is that simple. But arrest them over a popularity vote for actors as opposed to when electing country’s leader seems a bit too severe and very silly.
Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of hiring public auditors?
We will have to ask TVB to answer your question!
No, TVB can’t answer that question because you were the one who said TVB can have the final say, not TVB.
If I ask TVB, they will just say ‘We didn’t have the final say. The auditors are impartial’.
Haha, no scripwriter needed for a new TVB series.
Seriously doubt ICAC will initiate an investigation at all i.e waste taxpayers money. Can it be considered a business crime when no money is involved?
No major movement in their shareprice it seems so ICAC still not in the picture, haha.
RL fans can pool their resources and sue TVB 😀
You believe in TVB in everything, including public voting. I don’t personally.
http://www.jaynestars.com/news/kate-tsui-and-wayne-lai-to-win-tv-queen-and-tv-king/
I suspected something fishy when I read this articles a month ago.
You people figure it out
“there’s a reason why we name some ppl “sore-losers”. oh well, Tavia & Wayne are certainly the most deserving winners for TVB Queen & King this year. they both have always treated the voting system with a modest attitude & they don’t campaign as hardcore as you know who!
what Wayne said was very right – Audience won’t vote for u based on your campaigns but they would vote for the artist they have the most lasting impression & felt deserving for the title. so what if you have many fans who go down the street & yell for your name? how many audience that vote are those that sit at home to watch tv and not to idolize the artist?
and Kenneth has quoted – everyone has their own hidden fans. don’t judge based on what you see on the streets. how many percentage of such fans make up the total of HK population? oh please!
and Tavia has never campaign or ask for votes but many veteran & great actors/actresses have casted their votes or even publicly supported her. Michelle Yim was said to be hot contender BUT she said she supported Tavia instead. Linda said she is not confident of winning BA BUT supported Tavia. Kate has asked Myolie to vote for her BUT Myolie told the media that she has given her personal vote to Tavia. Fala, Sharon, Damian, Kenneth, Mary, Elena, Alice Chan & many more artists/producers/directors have also tried to campaign for Tavia. so tell me, who is the winner after all? even if Tavia is not crowned as TVB Queen, she already won in many hearts – a fact nobody can deny!”
VERY WELL SAID/WRITTEN LyNN!!!! 🙂
To VERY WELL SAID/WRITTEN LyNN! and copycat Lucia
If Charmine Shen & “When Heaven Burn” wins in various polls WHY only “When Heaven Burn” win Best Drama and WHY Not Charmaine Sheh for TVB Queen ?
Indeed Charmaine Sheh robbed of the TVB Queen Title
After Heaven Burn – go learn from yr idol Sheh. She congratulated Tavia the same nite n named Tavia champion! U can stop sobbing now!
LOL…Romney also congratulated Obama,,I should advise Romney supporters stop sobbing??..laugh my ass out
Omg! Can u stop repeating? Cao cibai la u. Get a life! Can u write something more interesting than ‘If Charmine Shen & “When Heaven Burn” wins in various polls WHY only “When Heaven Burn” win Best Drama and WHY Not Charmaine Sheh for TVB Queen ?’
Are u afraid ppl can’t read? U posted like 3 times on this page I am pretty sure ppl can read.
I stopped watching Heaven Burns after the 1st episode and I read online that this serie had low rating in Hong Kong. I cannot believe it’s the best drama/serie of the year!!
But, it’s okay because everyone has different taste!
I’m not surprised if this news is true, even though I am not a fan of Charmaine, I know a lot of people that like Charmaine. Like A LOT. Everytime I ask someone “Which is your favourite actress” it is always Charmaine. Old and young generation. (I think that is why I wasn’t a fan cause I was sick of how much fan she got) But its clear Charmaine would have won then Tavia. I’m not surprised if TVB is fixed. Of course they won’t say it though. If they are 100% vote why not just let the public see the voting results????? very suspicious…..
If Charmine Shen & “When Heaven Burn” wins in various polls WHY only “When Heaven Burn” win Best Drama and WHY Not Charmaine Sheh for TVB Queen ?
Indeed Charmaine Sheh robbed of the TVB Queen Title
Considering the online polls, the magazines (Mingpao, Apple Daily, etc), Charmaine was leading in many of them. Of course, these polls only garnered a decent fraction of the votes in the official votes. But I do highly suspect that Charmaine didn’t get her award because
1. She only does 1 series per year.
2. She wasn’t even there on the night.
That’s why the award most likely went to the person with the second highest amount of votes; Tavia. Just my opinion.
And Wayne does deserve to win over Raymond. He didn’t impress you but he did impress me. While his acting was weaker in TC than say, NG, he was still great. Clearly better than Raymond.
Like some say, Raymond might just have more ‘active’ fans while Wayne has fans who don’t exactly embrace it or something. idk. While I agree about Charmaine’s issue, I didn’t mind Tavia winning.
VERY WELL SAID/WRITTEN Magic!!!!:)
Very well said? R u god?
No I’m not God but my favorite words r “OMG”
Lol!
This is how it has worked for many years now. TVB decides who wins. I’m more surprised by people who find this surprising. Where have you been?
Charmaine Sheh the Best of the Best
Then u work harder to ensure all her series if any achieve high ratings. Her series since last yr have all below average ratings, same to yr WHB. There is a reason why every series with Tavia has top ratings. Audiences enjoy watching her despite how media trying to tarnish her image. Doesnt matter.
The series being robbed is Witness Insecurity based on rating. Nobody actually miss WHB.
Than why not Tavia drama gets Best Drama ??..I begin to like you LyNN
She did on AOD.
that’s why On Call has been rigged in HK u silly. Now go get a life & dun sob 24 hrs.
@ LyNN
Lol..Muwahahaha , seems early morning you start reply my comment!! Yeah we need to get a life..kekekeke
No not “On Call” get rigged in HK, Is SSSS rigged in HK bcoz Tavia the Queen star in SSSS
By the way, out of my concern ARE YOU OK LyNN ? Did u BRUSH your teeth last night and this morning. Your mouth is worst than a toilet bow. U won’t win a debate by downgrade others ….Muwahahahaha
It looks like your words downgrade others after heaven burns.
Hi lynn, maybe you have gotten a little too worked up over After heaven burns’s extreme comments. I would think that most people, whether they enjoyed WHB or not, would agree that the drama is indeed out-of-the-box and it has been so long since TVB produced something so neat and creative. But i also understand that many people still prefer the cliche, lighthearted comedic dramas that TVB is constantly producing, so to each his own.
However, every series with Tavia has top ratings? Seriously? SSSS being an anniversary drama was really bad, in fact, one of the worst anniversary dramas in all these years. The ratings didnt even make it to top ten. And even for other dramas that tavia was in, she was obviously overshadowed by the others. For eg, Kenneth was the focus in THC. Kenneth and Raymond were the highlights in BTTK. Do u really think that tavia was the only factor that ensured high ratings?
And let’s be frank here. If Charmaine didn’t leave TVB, would Tavia even have a shot in Best Actress Award? I really think that the results are dubious, and i believe it was tampered by tvb to promote their female fadans. Even if not Tavia, it would be Kate.
What I dislike most about Tavia is her attitude. Her ‘cult’ fans who always treat her like a goddess always claim that she is hardworking, is humble and her acting has long been recognized. Erm ya, but who doesn’t work hard in TVB? And i totally do not think she is humble. When she received her award that night, she told her fans that she wants to be like Wayne Lai, winning three BA awards! I was thinking, ‘Seriously?!’ For her to even get BA award, it is already unjustified. She still expects to reach the same level as Wayne.
Candy – Tavia as Yiu Kam Ling already outperformed Charmaine many yrs back and since 2011, all Charmaine’s series fell below average ratings. U are using one SSSS series to justify all Charmaine’s poor receptions? Funny. It is undeniable every series with Tavia has high ratings even tho SSSS was known to be draggy, it’s finale peaked beat TC.
Come on, we are talking about average ratings here, not peak. SSSS did so poorly in average ratings despite the extensive promotion and Damian Lau being the core focus of this series. You still dare bring up Tavia as a reason for the high ratings in peak?
Anyway, we are talking about the quality of series here. Ratings is just a component of it. The plot, acting, song and momentum all has a part to play as well. That’s why no doubt WHB really deserves to be Best Series this year. If not, I would think Witness Insecurity is pretty good too.
Being a fan of Charmaine’s acting, I must still say that Sheren deserves Best Actress in 2009 and 2010 for her performance. I enjoyed how Sheren can glue herself into her character so well. On the other hand, Tavia’s win of MFFC in 2009 stirred up controversy that she didn’t deserve it. For my part, I don’t think that glaring many times and throwing your hands in the air means that you are acting well as an evil person. A person’s evilness can be brought out through many more body language and skills. Therefore, do not agree that Tavia overshadowed Charmaine in BTROC. Character, maybe. Acting, NO.
For last yr, Myolie’s win for BA was more acceptable to many because the competition was weaker. Maggie Cheung, who gave a good performance, was unfortunately not contracted with TVB. However, for this year, there were so many others who did better in acting and their popularity is not any lower than
Tavia. For Kate, i believed she has a disadvantage because of only one series this yr. However, both Charmaine and Michelle did better in their roles and I thought that Charmaine’s acting in WHB was one of the best of all her dramas. Even without any promotion, she was leading alot of the online polls.
You seriously think Tavia deserved BA for her acting in SSSS? Just looking at her acting in that series alone. Not her ‘hard work’ all these years, not how he fans always claim that she is mistreated by TVB. (oh really?) If she was nominated for BA in THC, maybe she still deserves it. SSSS, no way.
It’s fine to support your own idol, but I would encourage you not to overdo it and let Tavia blind everything in your way. 🙂
I thought that Charmaine’s acting in WHB was one of the best of all her dramas. Even without any promotion, she was leading alot of the online polls.
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Totally agree. That is why I was surprised that Charmaine did not win the Best Actress Award in “When Heaven Burns” which was her best drama series to me.
please, why does it have to be them all the time? TVB sucks as is, just leave room for some others….
My precious time was robbed by When Heaven Burns. One of the worst series I’ve seen in my life.
There is an “on/off” switch that you can use.
Well, like most TVB series, they tend to drag with goods and bads..so I tried, I gave it a chance. Half way through I couldn’t take it anymore, I did switch it off. It was still an effing piece of you know what.
my mom told me the same thing. her friend watches everything so she gets them afterwards. she was so funny when she told me about this series. she was like, ” OMG, my good friend i know you dont mind watching all tvb series, but my god how can you even watch this, pointless and just boring boring from beginning to end” i was like is it that bad, you watch alot of crappy TVB stuff anyway she said this one top the cake ahhaha..lol…
WHB is really a movie for the younger gen. My mom also thought the movie was stupid…due to the concept of eating a human being. But this has happened…even in the US…the “Donner Party.”….if anyone knows about it. But it’s a true story.
But I think the whole movie was worth it due to the endding. A little slow…but the endding drew me back.
It’s airing right now in Canada because the TVB affiliate delays these dramas for almost a year. I personally like this drama while my mother absolutely hates it. Your point is true.
“WHB” was not an everybody’s drama series. It was more like a movie and would be better for younger generations. You really had to watch every scene and listen to every dialogue in order to appreciate it.
Acting was superb. Every artiste did very well in it, including Elaine Kam Yin Ling, Maggie Shiu, Cheung Kwok Keung, etc.
I belong to the younger gen but personally I find it to be boring. The carnivore story is fine, I’m not against it, but the whole drama is boring. I only like the finale, where everyone gathered at the rooftop stage and Charmaine’s speech. I couldn’t really understand nor agree with what the ex DJ was saying. Example the phrase “the world is dying”.
I think people either really liked to watch “When Heaven Burns”, or really hated it. There are not too many people “in between
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I’m in my early 20’s but I don’t like WHB.
I think you are too young to appreciate the acting and the theme of the drama series.
The best age to watch “WHB” is 30 – 45.
The only drawback is its pace which is a bit slow.
If you like romance and dramas, you will enjoy it more. If you like action or light-hearted drama series, you will not like for sure.
@sandcherry: Everyone’s got different tastes. You keep mentioning that those who who don’t enjoy WHB simply don’t know how to ‘appreciate’ it and I find these sort of comments kind of insulting (or snobbish)… Not you specifically, but I’ve just come across many people who seem to think anything indie or art house automatically qualifies as a masterpiece. Some of us do know how to appreciate the nuances and complexities, but we can also tell apart the ones that are genuine disasters masquerading as some sort of artistic sh**. (Well, that last line’s my feeling towards WHB, but that’s just my opinion.)
Yes she’s always insulting and trying to “push” her opinion onto others.
skinnymocha
Agree with you that different people have different tastes. In fact, I was surprised that “WHB” won the Best Drama Series in public voting in view of its very low viewership ratings.
I started to watch WHB because of the rumours that it was about cannibalism because I was wondering that TVB would be bold enough to allow such a series but after a few episodes I switched off. Boring. And Charm didn’t impress me at all. No, I don’t think that she would have deserved the award. And I rooted for THC as best series.
So happy for TY! She finally won the tv queen title for all thesis years!!! She really does deserve the award bc of the good work she pay off in all thesis years in tvb. Congratulations “TY”!!!
And by the way CS won the title before so there is no point of gaving the title to her again n plus she is not under tvb anymore so wat point of gaving it to her. TY really does deserve the award for her hardworking in tvb
Well, Wayne won it 3 times~
Well he’s still under tvb contract so tht’s y he won
My siblings are in the age range that you mentioned, but they did not enjoy WHB too. Everyone has different taste so I think the age range doesn’t apply for this serie. Personally, I like most of the casts in WHB; however, the story and the pace aren’t good.
It was only my guess to give people an idea. In fact, I am not in that age range, but I enjoyed the drama series myself.
The pace of “When Heaven Burns” was very slow. People need to have patience to follow the storyline and its well-written dialogues.
It also depend on different cultural upbringing. Singaporean and Hong Kong have different taste, so are people from Europe or States
For me I don’t enjoy this drama, but I like the acting of Angel Chiang.
Wow…that’s a break down. Maybe JayneStar should hold a poll to see how and where people like and dislike WHB. Track the age range too. 🙂
I actually quite enjoyed WHB, even though it was slow burning.
Taste is merely subjective.
This is why you have differences between critical reviews vs reviews by casual viewers.
Agreed with u.
Agree with the above post. Some people watch a drama series just for fun and entertainment, while some people would watch it for the details (such as acting, storyline, dialogues, plots and developments, photography, scenes, music, etc.). Every one is different and has different tastes and expectations.
One thing is for sure in this drama series ………….. the pace is very slow and people need good patience to watch it.
Yup… Agree to Candy!