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[email protected] I have a degree in english from an Ivy League college. There is nothing wrong with my comments gramatically. You on the other hand, lacks a proper command of written english. Do you even understand the meaning of grammar??!!. If you did, you would not have said what you said. I volunteer some of my time helping chinese ESL students with their english language homework. I also write a medical column for an english newspaper. You are now coming across as someone who is confused. You have also contradicted yourself so many times in your comments on this thread that it is pitiful. The more you go on, the more stupid you look.
@bearbear I see, thank you for clarifying! I haven’t seen any yang yang’s productions as they are kinda all low score apart from the one famous one, love o2o or something like that, but I don’t watch that one either as modern cdrama isn’t my thing (too long than it needs to be). Same view on Chen Kun :)
@vell she’s probably number 12 lol. All the listed actresses are currently very very active, apart from Zhang Ziyi, but because Zhang Ziyi is well known with Hollywood, and seems to be the household name for China, so she can stay in the list without being so active. LSS is not so active, apparently she’s enjoying being the wife :) so that’s why her fee isn’t high, but she’s up there in term of earning power, I think compare to Nicky Wu, who has his own production company, her earning is just as high, if not higher than his.
@bubbletea actually, what you said to llwy12 was very well said, and I like that, Because it was precise, it shows you agree to other’s opposing view, and you convey your idea well, without throwing shades. If you have given that response to the person niq8803 or to me without assuming other attack you, it would never got that far. As a matter of fact, I wasn’t really disagree with your point about how netizens should not attack her for talking about her period, I was just saying how one of your excuse for her has many flaws, and then you went on how I don’t get you. Anyway, If you don’t see that no one wants a war, then it’s not our problem :) and I agree with llwy12, it’s a matter of different pov, keep going until each other face is blue is just bleh.
@purplepanda774 oh dear, this shouldn’t have gotten this far. To be fair, sometimes the comment’s orders do get mixed up a bit. Regarding bubble tea’s comment on being the only one, I thought she meant someone might have pretend to be her and post with the same username (as sometimes her comment is not grammatically correct, and harder to understand, and sometimes it’s perfect and crystal clear), I didn’t think she implied I’m creating multiple accounts to argue with her. Anyway, I don’t need that sort of tactic and to view people in such negative way say something about yourself. Anyway, sorry, Purplepanda774, I too do like Jaynestars and have been a reader for at least 8yrs. If you want, get Jayne to check out our IP :)
@bubbletea Oh my goodness, anyone who can control-F search a page can see that you told littlefish to go play with her Hello Kitty before she called you a waste of time! And yes, every single person here can have their own way of responding and commenting, but when you start leveling unnecessary insults at a person and then accuse that person of doing the same, that is unjust, unfair, and hypocritical. You can speak your mind as clear as you want, but if being a straight shooter means saying "Coming from a waste of breath like you... Now go play with your toys [Hello Kitty], or yourself, kid." to another human being, than please let me voice my opinion and respect it like you want me to respect yours :) Insulting someone like that cannot be justified by self-proclaiming to be a "straight shooter." The world would function quite differently if it did. Ultimately, I think I need to take the same route as littlefish and pull out of this never-ceasing thread. I respect the fact that you believe so strongly in your opinion, and I truly, truly respect your opinion as well. This is just a different matter: a matter of ethics. Perhaps it was futile to try and support being fair and not insulting others in an online setting in the first place, haha! I just thought JayneStars might be different.
@purplepanda774 obviously you read wrong. Littlefishy was the first one who called me a waste of time, and I RESPONDED a few hours later with the waste of breath comment. With all due respect, please get the comments right before you start accusingpeople. It does not look good for you. Obviously we will respond differently, we are two different people. I make no apologies for being a straight shooter. I speak my mind clearly. I am not about to change.
@bubbletea I just searched through the posts and the first mention of "waste of breath" came from you, directed towards littlefish. You said "Coming from a waste of breath like you, I take that as a compliment," and I only found the phrase "waste of time" used by littlefish AFTER you told littlefish to go play with "Hello Kitty." So no, I am not selectively reading these comments because they are literally printed on the screen. That being said, if you scroll through my history on JayneStars, you will notice that I disagreed with littlefish on one of my first posts here (yes, I went back to check... this is what you're making me do). So if you suspect that we are in cahoots or are the same person, then wow. Not very observant, and certainly rude to suggest that I do not exist as my own mind and body. Like I said, I love this site, and the comments give me just as much an opinion on society as do the articles. I am not seeing only what I want to see (that would be a very dull place for active discourse, indeed), merely pointing out some hypocrisy.
@bubbletea thankfully I can also say I am purplepanda774 ONLY, so please, with all due respect, ask Jayne about the IP addresses, etc., to confirm your suspicions... It is exactly this sort of "rudeness" to which I am referring: the idea that you cannot fathom that another user would find a disagreement with you and that you would rather suspect a user would possibly create another account or some other ludicrous theory. You are perfectly within your rights to say whatever you want, including "stay quiet and keep playing with your Hello kitty or whatever," just as I am with pointing out any apparent rudeness. It's just interesting to see the differences between how you and @littlefish respond when another person steps in. I had thought that the goal of JayneStars was to promote "active discourse" on news/celebrities rather than bashing each other on comments. I only pointed out any potential rudeness to try to maintain this motto and feel just as "misunderstood and attacked" as you do, since I did lead into my first comment by saying that I respected and even agreed with a lot of your opinion. Can we agree to disagree, but focus on the celebs--not one another? I'm not trying to be a comments police or anything, but I've always cared more about this site than a lot of others and I've always seen it as a place of support and respect between users, which is what makes opinions much more valuable and the news much more entertaining. Feel free to correct me if I have this wrong. :)
@purplepanda774 I forgot, why is it that you only saw my so called "rudeness" and insults and not yours? I was called a waste off breath and other catty remarks were made. Yet you saw only what you wanted to see. And no, I did not make any mistake in this post. Some things do go together, as they should. I know what I am talking about. I am not crazy, just very observant.
@llwy12 well said and completely agree with you :)
@purplepanda774 thanks for the comment :) after a while, argument needs to come to a stop if both can’t agree to one another. But insults do make the stop “sour” and abrupt
Emm his house looks like an industrial building. Not gorgeous at all. Will not want to live there
@msxie0714 the truth is the truth. It is not always pretty, but the truth is what it is. I pray that chinese would shed their backward mentality.
@purplepanda774 I said that because my original comment was misunderstood and attacked. I tried to break it down and still was attacked and accused of contradiction, not making sense and a whole lot of things, LOL, LOL. My comments finally got a sensible, mature, decent answer from a coherent person. I am well within my right to say my accuser did not comprehend my comments. It is the same thing as saying "you did not understand my comment/s". What is rude about that????!!!. INCREDULOUS, WOW! I have a theory about something but it is best discussed with Jayne. I will say this though. I am bubbletea ONLY.
@bubbletea honestly, I don't know either of you and I can see/agree with the points in both your arguments (with one saying that AB is making excuses and the other saying that there needs to be more open-mindedness), but bubbletea I think it was kind of rude to say "You just lack the ability to comprehend anything" after littlefish wrote a pretty thorough explanation of her argument--defeats the purpose of having comments for open discussion here. Just felt like I had to say something since peanutbutterjelly also stepped in.
@mangotango okaaay... So if a man is not good looking, it is okay for him to look oldish. So ugly men, or average looking men should not try to maintain their youth. Is that youthful retention only applicable for good looking men? Lol.
I agree that if he gets rid of the salt and pepper facial stubble, dye his hair and dress better, Stephen Chow will look way better and younger. Who knows, he could be ill. Maybe he perfers to age naturally, just maybe. There are a few celebs who don't want plastic surgery, Botox, or sheep cells injected into their bodies.
@bearbear beautifully said. Could not have said it better myself. People are too fickle and shallow and are stuck with this foregone mentality that celebrities should only date very good looking partners. Men should only date women no more than three years younger than themselves, women should not date men not even a year younger, and someone who is rich should not date someone who is poor. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in. Kudos to Tony for sticking with the wonderful woman who was there for him when he had nothing. Kong ka Nin has been a loving, giving wife and mother and that makes her beautiful to me. I am happy Tony repaid her loyatly by being himself loyal, faithful and being there for the woman who was there for him.
Seriously, who are these strangers to judge if she doesn't deserve to be his wife simply by looking at her appearance. They started dating when he was poor and agreed to marry him when he was still poor; he didn't have affairs with young actresses or dump his wife for them when he became famous, the public should be impressed and happy for them rather than commenting on her looks or discussing if he deserves better or not. How does one defines "better" anyway.
@littlefish Oh no, I just think Yang Yang does not deserve to be earning that much and to be found in the same category as Hu Ge and Chen Kun who are obviously better actors than him. Hu Ge has acted well in some dramas, not all but if he is one of the highest paid TV actor, I can still see the reason. As for Chen Kun, can't say much since I don't really watch all of his productions but the one or two that I saw, he didn't become my favorite actor lol but I didn't think he was bad.
Looks 55 to me. He is not known to be good looking so not looking young should be fine.
@theyenman All of the ones you mentioned look OLD to me. haha I mean they are only in their mid 50's but all of them look much older than their age.
@michelle2805 Me too. Girl looks ok but the main lead looks cute. Not so much w/the others. haha lol....The only version I watched a bit more was the Taiwanese version.
i actually look forward to this one LOL i like her and the main guy looks cute. I hope t's better than the other vesions
The guy just looks old because of how he's dressed, and the white hair and facial hair. But if you actually look at his facial features, I actually think he looks younger than Tony Leung. Tony looks more haggard and wrinkly. Same with Andy Lau, who's the same age. Stephen actually looks less worn out compared to those two.
@kidd i wonder who actually paid attention to this news other than the number of comments about this on jaynestars....
@llwy12 Very, very well said. I appreciate and respect your reply. We do not have to always agree about the subject/s of an article, and can have a great argument with each other, as long as both parties are making sensible, relevant comments. Not like how I was attacked so ignorantly with accusations of my comments that made no sense whatsoever. The comment that I made, and that you replied to was replied to in a logical, sensible and matured manner. I basically made the same comment earlier and I'm still scratching my head with the childish gibberish that went on as replies to my comment/s. Enjoy and respect whatever you say, no matter if we are not in agreement. For the record, I am not a fan of Angelababy or her husband either, lol. Her acting stinks. I do know if his acting or his singing stinks more.
@bubbletea I think depending on the person and their experiences, their perspective on this situation will probably be different. I personally could care less about Angelababy or the Running Man show because I don’t watch that show nor do I watch any of ABB’s works (saw 1 movie she was in a long time ago and was not impressed) – and I certainly don’t follow her news (or news related to her husband) outside of the major headlines in general entertainment news, so I can’t comment on whether she has a track record of lying or being a diva or pulling these same stunts in the past. With that said, I decided to comment on this article because I’m particularly sensitive to issues of fairness, professionalism, preferential treatment, etc. because I deal with that stuff day in and day out as part of my job — something like ABB’s incident as described in the article wouldn’t sit well with me whereas others may see it as netizens overreacting or that it’s no big deal. For me, it’s about the incident and the way it was handled, not necessarily the artist -- it could be another female on the show, not ABB, and I would still have the same reaction (though of course I’ve followed the entertainment industry long enough to know that others may not feel the same way and there will undoubtedly be some element of “hate” from some netizens merely because the celebrity at the center of the issue is Angelababy). I definitely agree with what everyone else has been saying about BBC getting it all wrong by focusing on the period thing and turning this into a “oh China is so barbaric because they won’t let people talk about menstruation” issue. For me, it was never about the specific excuse ABB made but rather the fact that she was given preferential treatment and/or expected to be given such treatment just because she wasn’t feeling well. And yes, I agree that if the production team and/or her cast mates knew about her condition and so went easy on her (or she didn’t want to go in but the production team insisted that she do so), then they should be backing her up publicly. By the same token, netizens/audiences have the right to be angry when they feel an injustice is being done, so I don’t blame them either, though I do agree that there was no need to focus on the menstruation thing and blow the issue up to the extent it did… I think we can probably all debate this thing until we’re all blue in the face and still not be in agreement, lol, but I don’t necessarily feel that we all HAVE to agree. Like I said earlier, our opinions may all be different due to our own individual circumstances and experiences — for me, as long as the argument makes sense and is backed up with proper reasoning (not a generic “so-and-so sucks because they just do” type of argument), then I’m usually fine with agreeing to disagree.
I've met both Kevin Cheng and Michael Tse. Kevin seemed friendly, he said hello and shook my hand. Michael completely ignored me though
I like Joseph Chang. :)
Where can I watch this online? ;)
@coralie Oh, but we are! ;)
got such a movie vibe to it. glad to see more companies breaking into the hk series market. on the side note, i am seeing liu kai chi constantly being typecasted into these semi-villain and villainous roles. he's such a talented actor, he can be more than just a villain.
@llwy12 You are one of the members here who's comments I respect. I want to say a few things, and I expect to get a mature, decent, sensible reply from you, even if you disagree. I am no fan of Angelababy, or her husband, as anyone can see from my posts. Just because I am not a fan of someone does not mean I am not willing to weigh all rhe pros and cons of an article about said person. We all know AB lies through her teeth like a pro. She is also a spoiled, whiney, entitled diva who will take preferential treatment when she gets it without consideration for others. Maybe she was having her period, maybe not. I do agree with you that she should have stayed at home if she was not feeling well. It is not cool to come in and give a half baked performance. It is indeed a lack of professionalism. Angelababy has been known to pull such stunts before. I do not blame the fans/netizens for voicing their anger if they felt she was received favoritism treatment. The netizens voicing their anger is, or was never my problem. My problem is how they behaved when she said in a public interview that she was on her period. That kind of caveman, Jurassic behavior is very backward, ignorant and uncalled for. I was even wondering if maybe, after the Bowie Tsang incident, where she, Bowie, ended up in the hospital, if the producers still asked AB to participate, with her being dunked less. If this was the case, it would have been discussed amongst the participants , which would result in them dunking AB less than others in the water. Just putting out a possible situation. We need to understand that all of us might not like Angelababy but she still will have her fans. Producers, directors etc like it when the idols show up than not have them there at all. If this is the case, they need to back AB up. If she is being her usual annoying, manipulative entitled lying self, then she needs to be called out for her disregard of other participants and her unprofessional.
@peanutbutterjelly I'm in agreement with you. Perhaps she felt fine initially, but her symptoms began to surface after she showed up to work, who knows. Honestly, if I were her costars, I would simply shrug it off. Is it unfair? Absolutely, but hey, that's life. It happens... it's not that serious unless it were to become habitual. But as far as we know, it seems like an isolated incident, which makes it rather harsh and petty (as you said) to label her unprofessional based on this ONE "bad call".
@vell Yes, was hoping to see LSS on the list, as I rather like her!
@littlefish - I think we all agree to an extent that it's not professional of AB to ask for special treatment. @peanutbutterjelly - it's about the spirit of her professionalism. it doesn't impact anyone, but it's not fair to anyone else. that's the main point of contention.
@littlefish The more you go on, the more you show your lack of common sense, comprehension and maturity. You chose to close the discussion because you and @peanutbutterjelly would not each other's point of view, according to you. Don't you think I fail to see your POV, as you fail to see mine?. I am just a waste of time that likes to insult people? Coming from a waste of breath like you, I take that as a compliment. Thank you. Now go play with your toys, or yourself, kid.
@peanutbutterjelly @littlefish I can see where the way I worded it might have caused confusion. The point I was trying to get at is that it’s better to pull out if you’re feeling ill and not participate at all rather than participate half-heartedly and expect people to give you preferential treatment. I bring up the Bowie example mostly to show why it makes sense the way Angelababy dealt with her situation made people angry (just to clarify, in Bowie’s situation, she never said that she felt unwell or sick at the time she was participating in those games – the whole menstruating thing wasn’t even brought up until later when people found out she had been in the hospital and were trying to understand what happened). No one is saying that people should deliberately put their health at risk for a job – that is indeed silly and stupid….what I AM saying is that someone expecting to get preferential treatment just because they decided to still go into work while they were ill (which is essentially what ABB did) IS unprofessional. If someone is ill enough to feel like they should be given a pass at work, then why even go into work in the first place? Maybe this is a better example: I’m in a management position at my company and always tell my staff that if they are not feeling well, they should take a sick day to rest and get better rather than force themselves to come to work and only be half as productive as they normally would be if they weren’t ill – the “unprofessional” part is when the staff insists on still coming in to work while sick and then expects me to give them a lighter load because they don’t feel well (which of course is unfair to other staff)….in that scenario, I tell them to go home because I’m not going to give them preferential treatment at the expense of other staff just because they chose to still come in to work. On the other side of the coin, there are those staff who still come in to work even though they are not feeling well and do the same amount of work as they usually would without any thought of being treated differently (in fact, it doesn’t even occur to them that they should be treated differently because to them, they are doing what they normally do). Looking at it from this perspective, I think we can sum up ABB’s situation this way: she had the option of “calling out sick” and that’s what she technically should have done if she didn’t feel well…however she choose to still go in to work, which is fine, but she would’ve been expected to still perform at 100%....instead she performs at 50% and when called out on it, the excuse is she was “not feeling well” and that affected her performance….well duh – that’s why she should’ve “called out sick” in the first place!
these boys are tall!
@kidd majority of the western world has a weird view of China. they probably think we're all mystical and kung-fu fighting lol.
@bubbletea lol pulling out because I don’t see the point of seesawing, it’s the internet, one expresss their opinions, not everyone can see or understand my POV, I see a few has the same as my POV, that’s enough, I don’t need to win every argument. Just like calling a day off for being unwell is just as professional as brace it through with your handicap, withdrawing is not a bad thing, it is about being adult, he made his POV, I made mine, realising he will never see mine or even if he does, he is AB’s fan, so stopping there is as civil as it gets. Again, you have demonstrated you are a real adult, good on you, kid. And you were the one that being passive aggressive first, I merely pointed that out. And this is my last post on you because you are just a waste of time that like to insult people :) Last and not least, this isn’t a huge deal, more talking about it will give more press to this seriously small issue, so not talking = time to move on, there is better thing to talk about!
"As reported in the BBC article, menstruation and tampons are considered to be topics that people in China find uncomfortable to discuss" I think BBC got it wrong, or their info is outdated. I've seen more than one Mainland China series that mentioned/showed mensuration and its related sanitary product. Chinese people are more open than BBC assumed.
almost every TV drama with Sun Li is good. I'm surprised Li Shi Shi is not on this list.
@littlefish you are not for real. You are the one who got snitty and sarcastic and said I saw myself as the ten percent. You know, you are indeed a kid. Starting a fight and then lying by saying "Not Me, it was Bubbletea" . That is what you are. Then you want to pull out of a debate with @peanutbutterjelly because that commenter is crushing you. Like I said, go play ith you Hello Kitty, or yourself.
@peanutbutterjelly your example is great, however, if I get pay to do PE just as my friend but they get to do less yet pay the same when they can just take a day off, Uhm???? Again, fairness issue, to me that’s still an inconvenience (in a different sense). Anyway, moving on, no point on keep arguing :)
@bubbletea 'the fact that I am writing this comment speaks volumes of the ignorant, backward chinese mentality.' from your quote here, you don't sound different from white racists who made such comments a hundred years ago
@peanutbutterjelly I think you got the wrong impression there, no one promoting destroying their own health to be professional. If Bowie knows the water is contaminated, she would pull out. Pulling yourself out instead of getting special treatment is just as professional as going through the event with your handicap without special treatment. And AB didn’t do either. What happen to Bowie was unfortunate, but the way she handled it was a lot better than AB.
That’s their real voice right?
Times like this is when there should be changes from the novel. I mean the novel isn’t bad but it’ll be worse to see it acted out, so please please be a happy ending for both of them.
@bubbletea lol, you were the first one to mention the 10%, but again, whatever. Adult or not anyone here can tell as I’m not the person who started to insult other and assume other to be a kid, that sort of response really say you are an adult ;)
I first didn't notice much about Carlos but because of his handsome appearance I started to search a bit about him and I enjoy watching him in Daddy Cool. Carlos definitely a rising star but his journey to the lead actor are questionable because there is still room for improvements. I believe TVB will try to promote him to gain more popularity because actor with good-looking yet can act had decreased and most of them had an opportunity in China.
Shouldn’t have been that big of problem. Probably because of her excuse. If you follow the show from the beginning (Season 1), ABB always gets preferential treatment.
Omg, same group of people again. I feel only in HK that you see the same group of people over and over again whether its tv or film. Sigh....
relationship goal! such sweet man!
@littlefish I literally said that the wording 'made it sound like' it is unprofessional. And the statement definitely does read that way, or at the very least made Bowie sound admirable for her suffering and 'pulling through'. Which I personally think is the wrong way to go about this. 'Yeah she wound up with an infected pelvic and having to go under surgery but wow NO special treatment! Bravo!' Sorry I can't get behind this terrible mentality where someone would put so-called professionalism above their health like that. It's stupid. If she were my daughter I'd scold her.
@coralie I hear where you're coming from but in this case I would think that her not filming (even though she absolutely has the right to due to the circumstances) would cause more of an inconvenience, no? I can also already imagine the headlines: 'Diva Angelababy refuses to work and uses lady business as excuse' (or something like that). If someone doesn't show up to work, the work still needs to be done and usually by someone else. I don't watch the show but if it's a variety I'd imagine they'd need someone else to fill her place or rearrange some stuff at least. I agree about the BBC bit by the way but that wasn't the focus of my comments. @littlefish "How do you know she is not convenient anyone? To accommodate her, they cut her some slack, is that not inconvenient other?" No? If you were in high school and your classmate got her period so she didn't have to participate in P.E. does that inconvenience you in any way? You'd still have to participate yourself whether your classmate shows up or not. As far as I can tell from the article, she just didn't get soaked as much in cold water as the other cast members. The cast members are getting soaked anyway whether she's being accomodated or not. It's not like she's going out of her way to request to be put in a hot tub or anything so, again, how is she inconveniencing anyone from what we can read in the article? Okay, the viewers (who didn't know the circumstances) that first got pissed at her I can get behind. But after this article and still going after her for something like this just screams petty to me.
@mangotango you would be surprised. The mentality is skewered that it makes you want to laugh and cry at the same time. I was wondering if the producers knew and told AB to still participate, but they will go easy on her. Of course , if this was the case, the viewers at home would not have known this and would jump all over her. No one can blame them as Angelababy is known as a spoiled, entitled diva, and a liar too. However when she talked about her period in public, the masses went into a frenzy as publicly discussing things like period is taboo in China About a year ago, a man divorced his wife because she was in the mood for love and she made the first move for some loving. Well, the caveman she married thought that women should not do that and divorced her More recently, after raising a bear as a pet for two years, the bear was given over to Animal Control Services because the lady of the house is afraid of bears. For two years she thought it was a dog. Go figures, lol.
@littlefish please, you are going to hurt yourself trying to be an adult. You just lack the ability to comprehend anything. Your comments make no sense. I never said I am the ten percent, you did. All I did was playfully and sarcastically thank you. So please, stay quiet and keep playing with your Hello kitty or whatever
Are Chinese in China so old fashioned that they cannot talk about period? I do not know I do not live there. But it is not my impression esp. among the younger generation. I remember in a Korean adapted movie, the director changed the character of the 'wife' because he thought women in China is far from.submissive as portrayed in the Korean version. I think it is tv station fault. They should have explained that Angel was not feeling well but yet she insisted in partipating so we would avoid pushing her into cold water. That would have won her admiration instead of brick bats. When there is preferential treatment publicly, it is bound to raise eyebrows.
Is it terrible of me that this is my thought as I see the trailer: “littering! Bloody Chinese!” At the scene where they throw away their umbrella lol
No one should hold her for choosing acting over being lawyer really. She did not say being lawyer is bad or can’t help innocent people, she possibly thinks acting can help those that moved her much better. Plus being Asian to a professional parents, it’s possibly her parents’ wish that she becomes a lawyer, it was not her dream or desire, and understand who she is, being a reserved person, it is not suitable to be a lawyer lol. Plus she will need to do a lot more works, and being who she is, she might not able to reach the same status and therefore won’t be able to help the people she wanted to help.
@littlefish Yeah, females are more into idols. Males generally do not give a damn. The probably prefer curves over acting. Lol.
@coralie here here! People are making it like calling a day sick unprofessional, when you look at the job and what it requires, treating it with respect even if you have to take yourself off the list, is what professional is! And yes, I agree BBC is blowing the news up more than it needs to be. @peanutbutterjelly How do you know she is not convenient anyone? To accommodate her, they cut her some slack, is that not inconvenient other? And again, missing 1 episode and you know it is a one off is not bad. Your analogy, pregnancy, there were news AB only did a short amount of time of filming for General and I, and the rest of the filming was using body double, I’m not holding that against her upon reading the article, which used her as an example of today actress being lazy. I understand the article tried to sell a point, but dislike the article for using her, I don’t jump the bandwagon of hating AB because I remembered some other news mention she was pregnant while filming General and I (haven’t seen that either). My point is you assumed all who voiced against her conduct is due to being anti fan instead of seeing our POV.
@peanutbutterjelly I don’t think that what llwy12 was saying. You think it’s one or another. Calling sick and get a day off is not being unprofessional, no one said it is. But you constantly think we say it is, or at least you think taking a day off is bad, we don’t. Not gonna bother arguing all day if you don’t see the sides of the argument. You argue A and we argue B, not going anywhere. @llwy12, you spoke the matter how I see it! And wow, poor girl! To be fair though, I don’t think many know getting dunked in water during period is bad, and obviously getting dunked in contaminated water is bad period (with or without period lol). But the fact that she kept it so low profile, and endure all that because she went to work during her period and get NO special treatment speak volumes!
@m0m0 precisely. I’m sick of man laughed at us when we have bad mood because we have our period, instead of thinking there something bad happens, or someone being a jerk or after a while, it’s bottle up and we blow the fuse because they need to see it. I understand some men see that as a joke, but woman using this excuse when there is other alternative just gives woman a bad name!
@peanutbutterjelly Well, to me, missing 1 episode due to being unwell (if she’s that unwell) is not that bad, many missed out on one episode of their program due to various reasons. If this is a game and you get special treatment, it’s rather unfair, and if you see you could not perform 100%, better off take a leave on the day. Advocate for woman is one thing, using woman’s reason for your slack is another. This is my point of view if you can’t perform 100%, and know you burden people and I’m sure they can get the replacement for me, I would play fair and withdraw for the one week. It is just as professional as people who has period and brace through the work. To me, her unfprofessional is she could take the day/week off from the program, rather than let the preference to happen. And I’m sure the contract doesn’t go “because you have your period and take a day off your filming, you break the contract”, that sort of contract is then dont look at woman’s right and that need to be discuss. And if it’s to film a normal drama, that’s fine, but this is a game, once you are in it, play fair. In your case, all woman Olympic athletes who have period during the competition time should get preferential treatments, too? You may argue running man is just a silly game, not Olympic level, but fair is fair in my book, no game is too big or small, and that’s why I said what I said. @bubbletea 1 - I don’t see you as the 10%, you see yourself as the 10%, you shown in your wordings. 2 - you were disagreeing rather than agreeing, but you keep changing your argument, so whatever.
Such a lovely family. It goes to show that true love is not about money and looks. Tony married the woman he loved and still loves. So wonderful of him to defend her when delusional people attacked her looks. That right there is what one of the things I cant understand about my fellow Chinese. Why do they continue to live in the old centuries time when everything was based on status, looks, age, height and the list goes on. I actually pity people with such a mentality. I hope Tony and his wife continue their beautiful journey together. May their daughters find the same happiness in love as their parents. Love, health, happiness and prosperity to all of them.
I can understand that many may think that Janine chose acting over helping those who require legal assistance. Has it occurred to anyone that she chose the career that is her passion? Why chose a career path when her heart and soul is somewhere else? There are plenty of lawyers out there to help those in need of legal assistance. Recently there was an article about an actor who gave up acting to pursue his dream job, and he makes way less than when he was acting. It is about being happy and fulfilled in your job. Not a lot of workers achieve that.
@peanutbutterjelly I understand your analogy, but it's not really applicable. If I were at a job and I'm feeling unwell, I still have to do everything assigned to me and do it well. That's the meaning of professionalism. Of course, if my health issues cause me to be unable to do a duty, asking someone to go light on me for assignments is definitely not professional. I'd just go home and not take the assignment instead. If her colleagues knew that she was on her period and pitied her, that's another story. But it sounded like she asked for it herself. Olympian Fu Yuanhui still gave it her best shot competing against others in spite of her physical exhaustion, as an example. Bowie is another example, though her case sounded weird, as menstruation does not cause internal wounds or anything, so I'm not sure what that had to with her pelvic inflammation. Maybe she was using a pad and the bacteria in the water contaminated that. With that said, I'm not saying to ask celebrities give up their health for the sake of playing a game. That's harsh and ridiculous. We're not even stringent with Hollywood celebs, so I don't expect that from my Asian counterparts. I don't really have an issue with AB in this situation, but I can see why netizens are unhappy with her. Can you say it's professional? Not really. But is it okay to make this request for the sake of her health? Absolutely. My main problem is that BBC made this stupid article about how she's breaking taboos or something. Firstly she ain't the first one. Secondly, it's really not that sensational. They totally overdramatized this. Period is period. I think most Chinese people don't particularly care, unless they're uber traditional or superstitious.
@peanutbutterjelly I love and agree with your comment. I am still scratching my head too. My comments were so misunderstood. I am waiting as well for a logical answer.
@littlefish first of all, did I not say that AB could be making excuses as she lies effortlessly? Yes, it is stupid and jurassic for the netizens to throw a fuss at AB or anyone for speaking about their period. However, there is nothing backward or ignorant about them ranting about her seemingly preferential treatment on the show. Yes, the person who I agreed with said they did not believe Angelababy and I don't him/her. I agreed to that persons comment about netizens being so stupid and childish about Angelababy speaking about her period. Thank you for seeing that I am in the ten persent, lol. Seriously though, you don't get my comment, or @m0m0's comments, as that is who you are referring to. It is so obvious I am speaking about chinese doctors in China, how could you miss that????? Prime example of not getting it. I never thought that anyone who does not agree with me is a dummy. I am calling out all netizens in general as cavemen thinking people who bit(h and bark about AB OR ANYONE publicly addressing menstruation. Maybe someone else can read this article, read my comments, read yours and then give both of us some honest feedback.
@littlefish Wait, so being on your period yet still filming, albeit with some understanding of her situation, is somehow more 'unprofessional' than breaking her contract? Where is the logic in that?
@llwy12 "Bowie was smart enough to know that allowing herself to be dunked in contaminated water during a time when she was most vulnerable wasn’t ideal" She obviously wasn't otherwise she wouldn't have gotten the pelvic infection and needed the surgery, which sounds very scary to be honest. Putting your own health at risk like that for a job is not professionalism in my book but stupidity. I don't think she should be praised for it because I don't condone this kind of culture or mentality. I have a friend living in Japan who overworked himself (long hours, OT) so much he needed to get hospitalised more than once. One can say it's his own choice (and it was) but it's also the Japanese working mentality that shames you for taking one day of sick leave that cultivated this unhealthy behaviour. And I'm afraid that how you worded it the Bowie situation: "she could have pulled out, made an excuse, say she didn’t want to do it because she’s menstruating, half-a** it or whatnot…yet she didn’t do any of that stuff. She participated and played the game the way it was supposed to be played without expecting or asking for preferential treatment" made it sound like if she did any of those things (pulling out, asking for 'preferential treatment' as you call it...) it is unprofessional or unacceptable behaviour even though we have direct proof of the horrifying consequences she needed to deal with for not 'pulling out' or asking for understanding of her situation. If anything, the Bowie-example just proved that AB had the right compromise for doing her job yet still looking out for her well-being. I don't watch the show but to me people getting mad at her for not being in freezing water enough (unless that's the whole point of the show? Is it? I honestly don't know) seems like a very petty overreaction.
Participating with some reservations - being called unprofessional. Not participating - being called unprofessional. This woman just can't ever get a break can she? Yes it's her job but man, some people are so harsh? I'm sure there are lots of people who have gone to work unwell before. I certainly have. A lot of women go to work when they are on their period or are pregnant, a lot of people continue working while not being physically fit all the time. Not sick enough to stay at home but also not well enough to not be limited with your workload. She's not even inconveniencing anyone geez cut her some slack. I have a feeling people would be a lot more understanding if it was someone who is more beloved than AB here...
I honestly feel like people are convoluting the issue here. At the core, the issue really isn’t about menstruation or whether it’s a taboo or not to talk about it in public – the issue is Angelababy’s lack of professionalism, which is what it sounds like people have problems with. Doesn’t really matter what her excuse is – if she didn’t feel well or knew that she wouldn’t be able to participate fully in the program due to her condition, why didn’t she just pull out or wait a couple more weeks to return? Why insist on participating and then expect to get preferential treatment? Why even put yourself in that situation knowing that it will generate controversy? Of course, Angelababy being who she is, I’m not surprised if this was yet another way to get media exposure. Honestly, she could have prevented this whole thing by just not participating in the filming at all and give whatever excuse she wanted to the production team without it being made public (i.e. similar to calling in sick to work – you call the relevant people to tell them you’re not coming in, but of course you’re not going to broadcast it to the whole world)…..but of course, since she wants the attention, doing it the way she did is better for her…. Bottom line – it’s more about the way Angelababy handled the situation than anything else. Perhaps if we have a similar example as a comparison, might be easier to understand. 3 years ago, when Eric Tsang and his daughter Bowie Tsang participated in the game show Amazing Race China, Bowie got dunked repeatedly in contaminated water during one of the segments. She ended up with a pelvic infection that required surgery and put her out of commission for 2 months. It was later discovered that the infection occurred because she was in the middle of her menstrual cycle at the time, which made her body and her pelvic area in particular more vulnerable and allowed the bacteria from the contaminated sewage water to enter (it’s similar to if you had a cut on your hand that was bleeding and instead of putting a bandage on it, you soak it in dirty water instead). Bowie returned to filming the show after that and continued to put in 110% effort as if nothing had happened….to be honest, if you were to watch the show in its entirety without paying attention to entertainment news, you wouldn’t even know that something major like that had happened. I’m sure Bowie was smart enough to know that allowing herself to be dunked in contaminated water during a time when she was most vulnerable wasn’t ideal – she could have pulled out, made an excuse, say she didn’t want to do it because she’s menstruating, half-a** it or whatnot…yet she didn’t do any of that stuff. She participated and played the game the way it was supposed to be played without expecting or asking for preferential treatment (which she most definitely would have gotten if she had asked) – and even after the infection thing occurred, she kept it low profile with most people not finding out about it until after she left the hospital. So comparing this to ABB’s thing – well, I can see why people would be mad at her for putting in half-a** effort in the first place, then giving an excuse afterwards to justify it….
@mangotango some women feel unwell during their days but i am not sure if that's the case for her. there is something called the tampon for those that feel okay.... female athletes use them during swimming competitions.... if she was really unwell, it's cool but i hate to see female being portrayed as weak just b/c they have periods.
@bearbear you don’t think Hu Ge or Chen Kun is good at acting? Just wondering as 10/10 comments are always praising those 2, I don’t watch enough of their show to comment lol. Though I’m more favourable to Chen Kun as I haven’t hate his acting? But I’m not that impress by that either, hence the no comment lol
Never understand the appeal of Lu Han (he's like Angelababy, no acting skills), Kenny Lin, Jackson Yee, Huang Zitao and William Chan. And while I like Yang Yang, don't think he deserves that high amount of fees (his acting is mediocre), together with Hu Ge and Chen Kun.
@bearbear lol, look at Lu Han, he’s worse than Angelababy and is earning just as much if not, more than her. Look is what matter for those Chinese young girls!
@bubbletea my gist is your statement, you tried to give Angelababy credit for using the period excuse on the one hand, and on the other saying it’s the netizens’ fault for being Jurassic cavemen who don’t want to talk about taboo subject, while praising yourself to be the 10 percent for making this comment. It’s like you are trying to passive aggressively saying anyone argue against you are the dummy. While I’m saying maybe some netizens don’t buy the crap that Angelababy is selling and your excuse for her in one of your earlier statement is weak. I’m not talking about whether netizens were wrong or right or what they are so angry about, I’m talking about your earlier statement for her excuse is weak and have many holes. And idk about you, but I have a lot of Asian nursing friends who are more than comfortable talking about all kind of these topic, and many doctors I met don’t have problems talking about this. Maybe you were only referring to Chinese doctors and health professions in China... and the person you originally replied to just commented how he/she didn’t buy that excuse either. Yet you 1 - went on to give excuse to angelababy (instead of seeing as he’s talking about something different than what you are saying) 2 - passively saying everyone is a dummy and in the 90%. There are two issues here: you tried to argue that netizens are at fault for being so angry at Angelababy for talking about taboo subject, but are they all angry just because she talk about taboo subject or are they not buying her crap and therefore being angry? Meanwhile, we are trying to argue her excuse is crap, and we don’t buy it. That does not mean we are the 90% as you nicely put it that we are shy to talk about these things
@kuks you're right, perhaps i need to be a rich 2nd gen in my next life
Angelababy has zero acting skills
there are plenty of very smart people in show biz. i recall the leehom gave up on his harvard admission to proceed his dreams. also matt damon, ben stiller, Natalie portman, etc also had an ivy league education.
I thought he would say something like regretting dumping or mutually ending the relationship w/the ex g/f who took great care of him during the accident. Oh well!!
@funnlim i think both characters fits him very well. its pity that tvb dont make jin young novel anymore. i really miss a good wuxia drama from tvb nowadays, while they are really good in that genre back in the '80,'90 or even in '00 with twin of brothers, face to fate and lethal weapon of love and passion are good wuxia drama's.
@coralie yep, I totally agree. Nuff respect to Fu Yuanhui.
@hetieshou Lastly, I have to say Heaven is our permanent home, but earth is our temporal/temporary home. So I am excited to be there one day.
@m0m0 good to see that you saw the logic in the situation. Very well said comment, by the way. Thank God for the ten percent.
@littlefish obviously you don't get the gist of what is going on. It is not about what I said. It is about netizens complaing about AB not getting watered. Then the focus switched to netizens behaving like Jurassic cave people when she gave her reason for not being dunked. Maybe AB is lying, as we all know she is a bold face liar. Maybe the producers knew about her period and decided to cut her some slack. Maybe she fooled them too, as she is a crafty, pampered lying diva, and I won't put anything past her. Fact remains, that BBC and others are shocked that chinese are still so backward and delusional in this modern world, when a woman is chewed up for daring to publicly say she is on her period.The BBC people are shocked about how stupidly naive and backward chinese are, and frankly.....so am I. Honestly, haha, the fact that I am writing this comment speaks volumes of the ignorant, backward chinese mentality.
@bubbletea you said “what’s wrong with her saying she was on her period” and then you said she might not want to be penalised by her contract, and I’m just saying the first part - sound like a lousy excuse, and the second part - just as lousy as she can break contract due to she has enough money to cover the penalty and any decent organisation will let you go off the hook if you have bad period! So all in all, people can be angry at her because that’s one lousy excuse, and she’s only using that to justify not being douse with water like other. The legitimacy of her excuse is highly questionable
@littlefish it is not about AB making excuses. Maybe she was, if she was, shame on her, as we all know she and her husband are "me, me me" entitled Barbie and Ken brats. What the BBC ans probably other international news outlet staff find strange and stupid is how Chinese netizens got so mad at Angelababy for speaking about her period, after she said that was the reason why she was not dunked in the water numerous times, which they (the netizens), were also pissed about.
@funnlim a lot of these incidents mentioned in the article seems vague and rather heavily biased. “Left a deep impression and bitter taste?” Is it because they don’t give you a care in the world? Short fuse with reporters also questionable, were the reporters being nasty? Asking bad invasive questions repeatedly when the actors don’t want to answer? All in all, this article is just rubbish, and no news, many of the bad behaviours are not that bad, and since you don’t know the exact circumstances, you can’t judge them all at using these “vague events/descriptions”
@bubbletea I’m sorry but Angelababy has enough money that breaking contract would not even be an issue unless she’s a tight ass! Also telling the station you are unwell because of your period is a legitimate thing, why do you expect saying you are unwell and therefore missing a filming because of it is a bad thing? All in all, it sounds more like an excuse.
@msxie0714 with all due respect, the vast majority, both men and women, are uncomfortable talking about periods, and certain other topics. I don't need BBC to tell me that. Even doctors and nurses find it hard to speak to patients about sex, STDs, sex with same gender partners, HIV/Aids and periods. Yes, there is the 10 percent who are open to freely talk about the subjects I mentioned, but for the general population, it is still taboo. Hallelujah if you are in the ten percent range. Also, please tell me where I said ALL chinese are shy about talking about menstruation. Point out what you are accusing me of assuming, or please don't accuse me of assumptions, thank you.
@bubbletea You're making assumptions that all Chinese are shy about talking about menstruation. That's what BBC (which confuses identification of Chinese celebrities) wants you to beleive.
Girls are crazy over Lu Han, Kris Wu or in fact all the former TF boys. Understandable. Many become famous actors after becoming pop idols. Pretty common in Asia entertainment. Huang XM has his own studio. So he can choose to pay himself more or less if it is his own production. Same with Harwick, Yang Mi, Fan BB. Where is Vicky Zhao?
I think she is thinking that she can use fame and fortune to help the poor? Good on her noble aspirations. Is she currently active in any NGOs?
@m0m0 but you might not have enough income to pay your rent though...
@coralie lol what beef me is Lu Han’s fee! He’s the worst actor ever, and his feature is terrible unless the right makeup, lightning, clothes, set, etc. so he’s like a product of good production, like MV, not drama! Yet his fee is as high as Wallace Hou??? Like that dude needs to get real, but hey, keep pushing his fee up, maybe then people can’t afford him and so he can stop being in drama! That dude is an eyesore!
@m0m0 many girls will watch the show for their “prince” regardless of how bad it is, or who he pairs with, but not many boys do the same for their fav actress, and not many girls will watch for their fav actress if the guy she pairs with doesn’t catch their eyes. So all in all, the guy is more important lol.
Should only be judged based on their acting skills. But if the package comes with good character and personality, good for fans.
Amusing that stuff should get headlined in U.K. I never watch this show. Do they dip the contestants into cold water? Maybe the viewers thought why should she get preference treatment being unaware it is first day of her period. They should avoid female contestants in view of period problems. LOL.
@niq8803 never thought the day would come when I would defend angelababy but, here I am. What is wrong with her saying she was on her period?. Yes, dhe probably should've stayed at home, but it might be penalty for her depending on how her contract is set up. Maybe it was o knock ay with the producers for her to give a little effort rather than nothing at all. You know, @m0m0 made some valid points in her comments. I still can't believe that chinese are still stuck in the dark ages, living in some delusional fantasy world. Women have their period, and it is not something they should be ashamed of. It is what makes them unique and it is part of the reproductive system. Although the cramps, nausea, bloating, headaches, and mood swings can be quite uncomfortable, women are wonderful, and having their monthly flow is a very important part of womanhood. I would rather listen to women talk about their period than listen to something about Jackie Chan or the Kardashians, or Grace talking about Kevin. I knew this subject matter was going to bring out the backward masses, and the backlash volume was going to be high for Angelababy. No wonder the Asian celebs who are gay live a lie. No wonder the ones with mental problems don't want anyone to know. It's such a shame
The details are not specific enough...like being angry at reporters isn't something I would even care because sometimes they can be so annoying. And who wouldn't be angry once in their life time and never throw a tantrum ever in their life? I don't know what the exact actions were so it's not fair to judge
I never heard Song Ji-hyo complained about her menstrual or anything in Running Man! Angelababy lacks the acting skill and now she doesn't even show the professionalism needed in a variety show! She should just accept the criticism and not tell the whole world that she is having her period during the filming to gain some sympathy point (which backfired now).
While obtaining a law degree is admirable but wasting it in acting? Hummmm...I don't get it.
why is talking about the menstrual cycle a taboo in china? people should realize that it is just a natural part of female reproductive cycle. nothing unglory about it. just b/c it does't look pleasant doesn't make it a bad thing. some female don't feel well during their menstrual cycle but some are okay. i know that in japan, it used to be that female weren't allowed to be sushi chefs b/c of the same reason and in certain African cultures, women are banded from getting close to their husbands during their menstrual cycles. it is thought to bring bad luck.... why is it that women only seem to bring men bad luck in these cultures? Don't the very people who made this bs up realize that they had moms too and perhaps wives and daughters that will suffer b/c of these stupid superstitions?
I am not a fan of Angelababy, but she should not be attacked for speaking about her period. Chinese really need to come out of their geriatric existence. Had it not been for menstruation, or period, they would not be here. It is a part of being female, being a woman, and it will happen to all women, at least those who were born authentic, real women. Those who complained need to shut up and drag their sorry backsides into the 21st century.
She's hardly breaking taboos. She had to be pushed to confront the issue in public. I give a lot more credit to Olympian Fu Yuanhui who publicly announced she couldn't compete at the optimal level, because her period was here.
@skev1 I heard it may come out on Dec 31, 2018 but that date may change to a sooner or later date. Let’s see..
i can never understand why female artists earn less than male entertainers esp when they star in the same show. can there really be that many shows that they can do w/o a female lead thus causing the rift in pay?
Da fawk. Huo Yitian just joined showbiz not too long ago. The fee he commands is outrageous, considering he's still a relative newbie in the field. I actually think the men's pay this time around is a little lopsided and unfair. I mean ABB earning more than her hubby, for her [email protected] acting skills? Some of the women's fees are understandable. FBB and Yang Mi both have their own production houses, so they can negotiate their own pay. Surprised that Zhang Liying isn't on the list, though. Sun Li & Zhang Ziyi are established and veterans of both TV and films; they deserve their pay.
I gotta say, I really like Annie Liu! She's prettier than I remember. Her Cantonese pronunciation isn't the best, but I could understand. I think she made a good effort with speaking her lines. Her acting is decent, too, in spite of her limited understanding of Canto. And she's SO good looking. I was glued to her face the entire time; talk about scene stealer. Michelle Yim's 10 minute guest star was really weird haha. I definitely did not anticipate her getting killed. But even if killed, I expected the story to do flashbacks for her character. Maybe it will down the line, but if not, what a waste lol. Nancy is okay so far; not much going on. There's some secret liaison she has with Kenneth, but it's been bland. Nothing interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing Chrissie Chau. But for some reason, I don't think I'm as excited about her as I am about Annie.
Moses is so cute off-screen. I mean, Bernice scandal aside, the fact he blushes easily means he is embarrassed easily. And that means he has a sense of humility and is shy. Usually people like that tend to be very nice :). Louis Cheung seems very tactful and a gentleman; otherwise he wouldn't have won over Kay Tse. I'm not sure about the rest. I feel in order to appear very approachable and nice, they have to be very savvy with most people. And that is a matter of manipulation and not genuine. It's hard to tell the difference between the two.
The colour is terrible especially for the women. Felt like any fabric will do. Men's are ok for most part. The hair... Oh the hair...
I kinda like the ending. I hope tvb gets to remake Jin young stories. I want Carlos to be cheung mo kei or kwok jing.
Hmmm... A great lawyer can defend an innocent man or keep the world safe by prosecuting them. Can organize rallies and effect change. Most great people studied law, and they achieved great things by being poor but steadfast in their principles. Joining entertainment world os really about finding fame and fortune. Those aspiration of helping others come later.
If you count China, of course. Some may money laundering.
I've sorta met Kevin before and he left a deep impression for me because he was interacting with fans and was gracious and quite flirty in a good way. Kenneth ma seems like a great guy. Michael tse looks unapproachable. Moses too.
tody looks hot in this pic. nice skin tone and body.
i would have wanted to work for tvb if i was in hk just for the perks for running into celebs.
i use to watch everyone of his movies liked him more then JAckie Chen its sad to see anyone being sick hope he will continue to stay positive most important is to be happy spend qualiity time with his family
Pinky Cheung seems visually out of place in this drama. She is too heavily built to fit in with the other elegant palace ladies...
It is sad that everyone has to go through illnesses and sicknesses, before being able to pass on to the afterlife. Life sucks.
It is sad to lose a family member. Life sucks.
@hetieshou Heaven is a beautiful place made of jasper, emerald, sapphire, topaz and other beautiful jewels. It has streets made of gold. It is a beautiful place, but most importantly we get to be with our loved ones there. Not only our loved ones, but also our pets and friends that we once lost. But it is the waiting that gets hard sometimes. The waiting can be 30 years and longer. But at least the kids are there to comfort you and lend a listening ear. https://mydramalist.com/shows/top I use this website to see which shows are nice, it has grading for china dramas as well. I think Zhang Wuji is the most human character that I ever read about. He has a tragic past, is wishy washy. They are traits that I can identify with. Yang Guo, on the other hand, is unrealistic as there are very few people in this world who is young that is willing to wait for a girl for 16 years. Most people will get married to other people during the 16 years. I can't bring myself to dislike Zhang Wuji, because he is very human. I like Zhao Min and Xiaozhao, who is the author's favorite character in the book. Zhao Zhiruo is also pitiful, because of rejection from Zhang Wuji, she became evil. I actually like the girls, better the guy (Zhang Wuji).
@nomad822 Martial artists are most susceptible to injuries while doing death defying action scenes. Sacrificing their physical health to please the audience takes an enormous toll on their well-being.
You'd think the Martial Arts crowd would be quite immune to illnesses, because they're so fit. But seems like they have over-taxed their bodies instead physically. It is shocking to learn of Jet Li's condition.Brings to mind very health Martial Arts folks like the late Liu Jia-liang | Lau Kar Fai (刘家良) and Gordon Liu Jia-hui 刘家辉
@hetieshou Glad to know that the liver can regenerates to normal size. He is still very young so good growth is high.
Good to have another skill she can use in case she decides to retire from acting. Talented lady.
Sounds like 'Romeo and Juliet."
@llwy12 "It’s already rumored that majority of Chrissie Chau’s scenes will be cut due to the ban on artists from Stephen Shiu Jr’s company" This is a big disappointment for me. The main attraction to this series for me is Chrissie Chau. If their are going to cut majority of her scenes, I might as well wait for the overseas version. I hope when they release it in DVD form, it will be a complete version.
@llwy12 Agree!. IT would be a waste of time for Fala Chen to waste her time, talent, degree and energy by going back to TVB. I would be disappointed in her. Fala is a decent actress and with the ability to speak understandable english, the sky is the limit, and Hollywood should be her next stop. Proud of her for getting her degree. In fact, I am proud of anyone who study and gain a degree. Right @hetieshou?
Congrats to Fala! Looks like she is headed to Hollywood next, as it is reported that she signed with management company UTA, which is the same company that manages Oscar winner Frances McDormand. With an MFA, pretty sure Fala will get plenty of great opportunities...hope she doesn’t waste those opportunities by returning to TVB — she can and most definitely SHOULD do better!
I know I will catch flak for saying this, but I must say - the entire cast is comprised of classical beauties (except Nancy Wu & Steven Ma)! Everyone else is a showstopper. The costumes are tacky and not elegant at all, but it's alright. I know I'm in for a [email protected] story already...let's just hope it's not so bad that it's unwatchable.
This synopsis sounds so draggy and boring, lol. I like Alice, but idk how much of her screamings I can take. Lol. At least she's a solid actress though. I stopped watching Steven in his past few series. He can act but I find him boring, maybe it's the characters -which all had been one note; not his fault. Scripts are to blame...
Omg, the 3 main leads faces look so much like one another. Same surgeon again? Lol. You can literally switch their outfits and hairstyles and they can take on one another's character identity; can probably pass of as one another in real life too... Kathy Chow looks so much younger and prettier in this still than her recent TVB series. Good on the make up department! The series will be pass for me. I find Wuji character dumb AF. He literally forgot his mom's warnings and how/who caused his parents demise. My least favorite WJ "hero." I do like other premises and supporting characters though.
@hetieshou I know some people with no gallbladders, and they always have to restrict certain foods because those foods (especially fatty foods which require gallbladder) would trigger nausea or stomach ache. If your brother's wife can eat anything, she is most likely taking some sort of supplement (like Ox Bile or anything that produce artificial bile) to help digest the fatty foods otherwise it can be nauseating when she eats. I know a lot of people living perfectly normal life without gallbladders, but they're usually in their 40's or 50's and Derek is so young :(. And yes the liver does regenerate so I pray a speedy recovery for him.
@kuks Sorry to hear about your illness. I know that any illness is a pain. With my oldest brother, he was always lazy and inactive even before getting hyperthyroidism so with him it is hard to tell. But I still encourage him to be active and stay healthy. It is hard as he is a very very lazy person. Even when he got the illness, he lost 50-60 pounds and looked like a zombie but yet refused to get medication and see a doctor. Everyone in our family had to force him and he finally did. Hope you stay and think positive and try to enjoy life to the fullest in spite of that illness.
@kk12345 Thanks for your sympathies! I have to message you here I could not respond to your other message. It is hard but I try to stay strong. But I got to say, we can get the best of both worlds if we are in heaven (assuming it exists) as we could watch series with our loved ones in heaven. I like Zhang Wu Ji as he has a tragic life like me. He was orphaned at a young age, is kind hearted, skilled, humble,etc... I think many just do not like the fact that he is wishy washy in love. It is hard to pick when so many girls love you so deeply. However, he did pick Zhao Min in the end even though many would say that was not the best decision. But he went with his heart finally and I love his character overall. After all which character is not flawed?
@elizabeth Well-said! Considering I didn’t even like the first installment, part 2 seems like a downgrade so of course not interested in watching. I saw the trailer and to be honest, it doesn’t look appealing – the costume / dress doesn’t bother me as much (it rarely does, even in blatant instances when TVB actually recycles costumes from one series to another), but the speech / way of speaking does….most of the females seemed to be speaking their dialogue really slowly, like they were trying to enunciate every word….not sure if it was just those scenes in the trailer and “making of” show (which I only watched parts of) but the way they spoke sounded very unnatural and to me was distracting…. In terms of story – well, we already know that TVB rarely sticks to history so plot-wise I wouldn’t expect much but with TVB’s recent penchant toward editing their series to fit a certain agenda, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story ends up not making much sense. It’s already rumored that majority of Chrissie Chau’s scenes will be cut due to the ban on artists from Stephen Shiu Jr’s company, so depending on how big a role she had, that might affect the story adversely….and now they’re having problems getting the series approved to air in Mainland China (which is their target market), so depending on what the issue is with the delay in approval, that could affect things as well (meaning if it was certain scenes that didn’t pass censors, then most likely they will need to cut those as well). So far it’s not looking good at all….
seriously cute, light skin, big eyes, chubby face. lucky couple to have such a beautiful daughter!
@passingby You’re very welcome! :-) Great movies deserve recognition and I honestly feel “Happiness” didn’t get as much accolade as it rightfully deserved (despite Kara Hui’s HKFA Best Actress win as well as a few of the other awards the movie had gotten back then). It’s a very quiet “outside the mainstream” type of movie with more of an arthouse feel, not the traditional “action-packed blockbuster” that HK audiences are used to, yet it packs a punch that is far greater than those action movies due to its societal relevance and the message it sends about people dealing with dementia and other serious illnesses. I agree that the chemistry between Kara and Carlos was awesome, though Carlos also did a great job holding his own (for example – that hospital scene when Ah Yuk’s dad basically disowns him and he is hurting so much inside, yet has to keep his emotions in check – Carlos nailed the emotional nuances in that scene, to the point that it broke my heart to watch….it was one of the many scenes that made me cry, even though overall the movie itself was relatively positive and uplifting). That movie had so many great scenes and meaningful dialogue — I also kept going back to re-watch some parts. True about the singing part, though hearing Carlos describe his early career, seems like it might have been a blessing in disguise, since it looks like he knew his strength wasn’t in singing so he decided to concentrate on acting instead. And yes, he’s very shy and as he says himself, lacks confidence and tends to be much harder on himself than he needs to be (which I personally find endearing, lol), but I agree that if he wants to survive in this industry long term, he will need to change that mindset a bit.
@kolo To be honest, I actually feel it’s a good thing because if he had been a TVB artist back then, he wouldn’t have gotten the opportunities in movies that allowed him to build up his resume the way he did, which also means he most certainly would not have gotten this particular role in Daddy Cool. We all know how horribly TVB has managed their own artists in the past 10 to 15 years, there’s no doubt Carlos would’ve been thrown by the wayside (I say this knowing that for the first few years of his career, Carlos didn’t really know what he wanted to do and basically went through the motions, even losing his way at one point...it wasn’t until Heiward Mak cast him in the movie “Diva” that he was able to get his movie career back on track and pave the way for his big break in the award-winning film “Happiness” 3 years ago. If he had been a TVB artist, they most definitely would’ve given up on him before then.) Carlos is currently with EEG, which is the same company he’s been with since he debuted as a “singer” back in 2003. Now I will be the first to say that I can’t stand EEG almost as much as I can’t stand TVB nowadays and it’s still true to some extent, but mostly on the music side of things...EEG’s involvement in movies has actually been quite good, signing veteran actors/actresses and investing in quality productions — wish they would show the same diligence to their music business.
Watched the behind the scenes of Deep in the Realm of Conscience , the plot was not as interesting as the 1st one...I have feeling it will be another disappointment. But, will still watch it.
@llwy12 its pity but if he isnt tvb own son he will not be promoted as no.1 siu sang. thats tvb's policy. i dont understand why tvb didnt gave him a contract back then. its just a loss for tvb now that he is an artist from other company.
Mom and daughter are beautiful. I miss seeing JJ in dramas :/
@mysterym2m I just pay attention to the Chinese name since that is more important. English names are not official or are as important.
@mangotango He is such a good son! By the way, the liver will regenerate into a full liver with time, rest and lots of tender loving care. My brother’s wife got her gall bladder removed but she still lives a pretty normal life and eats what she likes. Therefore, his life will not have much difficulty once his liver regenerates.
Carlos is definitely the best thing to come out this drama. I hadn't planned on watching it so soon but after reading the mostly positive comments about him, my interest was piqued and I'm glad I checked out this drama which kept me hooked and had me looking forward to each new episode. I watched Carlos in the movie Happiness and for a person like me who normally can't sit through a movie with no action scenes I enjoyed every moment of it and I found myself rewinding to watch many scenes over and over. The chemistry between Kara and Carlos is awesome. Thanks to @llwy12 for your recommendation. I think that it's a pity he gave up a singing career cos he has the looks and the youth to be groomed into a singer/actor like his contemporary William Chan. From his interviews it seems like he's an introvert and one who doesn't have much confidence in himself. Hope he changes his mindset or he will find it hard to survive in this highly competitive industry. He definitely has the looks and talent but he's somewhat lacking in luck. He's also tons better than the current up-and-comingTVB male artistes in his age group, both in the looks and acting department.
Met Ben in December - super nice guy. My father was also a HK policeman. RIP Mr Yuen.
Carlos caught my eye in Happiness (幸運是我). He’s a great actor. Hope his career soars.
@kolo I agree, though just a clarification in that Carlos is not a TVB artist (even 10 years ago when he was in the TVB idol drama, he participated not as a TVB artist), so saying he is “from TVB” would be inaccurate. But yes, I also tuned in mostly because of him (though partly was because of Wayne and John as well)...the story overall was so-so and there is more than enough to complain about in terms of plot, but the casting and also acting are where this series excelled. Wayne and John of course it’s expected that their acting will be excellent....Carlos however I think most audiences didn’t know what to expect...I will admit I was a bit worried at first because even though I’d seen his previous performances in movies and know he’s capable, filming movies and television are very different, plus it’s TVB after all, which has been known in recent years for causing even the best of actors/actresses to suck...needless to say I was relieved to see Carlos do so well....his performance in the finale was top notch, especially after he found out about his illness and had to adjust his acting to reflect this — his control over his posture and facial expressions was impressive!
@kolo So true!!! He's the main reason I tuned it as the series has tons of flaws but overall ok entertaining.
carlos chan is the best new siu sang from tvb i have seen in years. i think his acting and looks is even better than ruco chan or lam fung. he can become the new no.1 siu sang in the coming years i think.
I read somewhere that Annie Liu was supposed to play some "princess" who knows kung fu?? Now all of a sudden she is a maid... Also, the TV trailer had TONES of spoilers. I wonder if they were intentional.
@skev1 Michelle Chen and Chen Xiao's ROCH was randomly made in 2014. Probably a bit too soon for another remake, although you can be sure it won't take too long. I think HSDS is actually okay as a standalone series.
Legend of the Condor Heroes 2017 just came out. Why did they skip Return of the Condor Heroes and jump straight into Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber?
Does anyone know when this series is coming out and if there is any canton sub? I really like Legend of the Condor Heroes 2017. Li Ti Yong became my favorite Huang Rong. She is very beautiful, classy, witty, and smart.
@elizabeth very well said. There is a time that trailer looks more interesting than series lol.
@mangotango :( I first saw him my dear boy, and he was so good portraying the growth and maturity of the character. Love to see more of him
@vell Unconditional love for his dad. He did not know about the severity of his father's condition because his family kept it from him as he was working in China. He has to lead a healthy life with half a liver and no gall.bladder. This will impact his work as being an actor is not all fame and roses. Derek probably has to stay clear of drama which require physical stamina and endurance.
Saddened by this news (I had no idea this was the reason behind his "hiatus"), but am happy that he remains optimistic and hasn't allowed the illness to affect his spirit. I'm most excited to see him in the upcoming Mulan, and hope his health and physical condition will improve shortly.
Baby girl is adorable!! I've always thought JJ Jia was very pretty.
Yes he was dated looking before - esp his hair. But Jacqueline Wong also gives off a dated vibe too, given her younger age. Not sure if it's because of her dress sense, of face whatever.
@elizabeth well to be fair, they wear ugly beanies to cover their bald head in TVB production, and Chinese drama must look good, so either way, none of the girls will have their head shaved so might as well go with the prettier style lol
@ashtenmorgan by the description it’s not the same as death note the manga, as death note is about Light who obtains the death book and subsequently play god, whereas this one is a serial killer crime movie, where the killer leaves notices for the cop before murdering people. So they have time to try and catch him and he gets the thrill of being the mouse
Aww :( hope he manage it well and have a great life with his family. Looking like this, he fits the role of the emperor in Mulan :) so it’s not bad, one just have to look at different role :)
So Emei turned Taoist now so some girls can look nicer without a bald head? I recognise Zhu Xudan from "Eternal Love" as the crazy demon queen.
My condolences to Ben. Glad to hear that Tai Gor was well loved by his family. It will be a sad time but hope that Ben and his family will get through it soon.
Friends tell me that it has been really humid in HK and China for the past few weeks which does not help. Hope it will be cooler soon.
It is not a death sentence but you just have to be careful with your lifestyle. Jet Li seems to be a disciplined person. I guess faith helps. I hope he feels well soon. Not so much bothered by how he looks as long as he is able to be happy and his family is supportive of him. All of us will age one day.
I found the trailer on youtube. The colours clash badly. Hate it when they all stand together. And the painted mark on their forehead really annoys me. I get it that the Huadian is of the Tang tradition, but I am pretty sure they did not stick sparkles on their forehead. Storywise seems OK but nothing very interesting. I am confused if Steven's emperor character is a villain considering what happened to Empress Wang in history. I do think that Nancy will act well, but the story seems depressing if it talks about how their marriage disintegrates after taking the throne. The series had a lot of good supporting casts, but I am afraid they will be pushed aside as flower vases while the young casts take the spotlight and they will just be slapped around I am, however, attracted to Princess Tai Ping's character played by Alice, who really fits the role of an ambitious and bitter princess who keeps losing her loved ones to politics. Part One was entertaining thus its high ratings, but also flawed and overrated. I am not having high expectations for Part Two, whose story seems messier and trying to sell its "grandness" more than the actual plot.
wow this is not the image of Jet Li I grew up with... I hope he remain healthy.
@hetieshou I'm hypo too but some days you literally cannot get out of bed. Bloodwork tells dr you're fine but in reality it messes you up in other ways. It's like living with a cloud over your head but there's nothing they can do about it. A disease that is almost silent but the those who don't suffer from it looking in think you look fine or are just lazy...
it's tough living without a gallbladder, especially at such a young age. You really miss out on a lot of food early in life. What an awesome son.
Is this worth???
My oldest brother has this illness so I constantly worry. However, I heard that as long as you manage it well you should be ok. My brother’s mother in law has had hypothyroidism for over 20 years and she is fine so as long as you manage it well, you should be ok.
Mother: positive, happy and SMART. Father: happy and healthy. Lol @asian mother xD
What a filial son! I usually hear children praise their mother but do not hear much about their father. So touched and his father is lucky to have such a sweet and filial son.
Half way through the article, his name changed to Daniel instead of Derek
Isn't funny that all the pictures on the left side are prettier? To me that's what it is. All those white make up needs to go, they are only zombifying people. Yang mi's jaw changed a lot, it used to be squared or rectangle shape. But at least, when it was still rectangled shape, she was very famous and well liked from the beginning as her real self already. I see why Zhao liying was not liked at the beginning, she was not pretty in the past. I was so confused because I never considered her face that wide or round at all. People made it sound as if she'd invented a round face like wtf, as if Charlene Choi do not exist and there is no Vicki Zhao Wei. But now looking at the past pictures it makes sense, it was really too wide back then. Nothing different in Yang zi besides her make up being way too white. She got same eyes and the thick weird lips was since young unless she did surgery as a kid but that's very far fetched. Face shape is same, not wider not longer. And chin did not get longer or shorter. I don't know if it's possible if people do surgery on their head for bigger forehead (afraid of brain issues?), I think people just make their chin tinier and so then the forehead seems bigger.
This article mentions Steven's Chinese name as 馬金衛. It is wrong. Please check the article before you post.
Can the writer of this article be more precise on who he is writing about? It says Derek Chang in the headline but down below the article, it says Daniel. So is it Derek or Daniel?
@bubbletea It's rare for anyone on social media to submit photos that haven't been touched up.
Love this cutie in 'My dear boy'. Pure love for his dad.
Wow the baby's skin is like milk. Dang. Cute baby girl tho!
wow, haven't seen a kenneth and steven collaboration in years. They could have ask Jessica hsun to be in it too.
Isn't it Death Note? What is Death Notice? am I thinking of the same thing that is being write about? Isn't this the manga/anime of Death Note in live action? --it's Asia. Super hot during this time of the year, and it increases as time pass. You've to bring yourself water, don't expect other to give leeway. Welcome to work, definitely in HK
Gonna be a waste of Annie’s time. Looking forward to the vets though.
Shocking. But Jet Li is counting his blessings that he still have a life. If he take care, he can still do many things for a long time. All the best to him.
Cute baby! Such fair skin and looks a little mixed
@bubbletea girl, you know this for sure or you deduced it? Cus rumor mill is one thing, but knowing for a fact is another...(in regards to annoying HK actress.)
@kolo There is way more to any series than just the cast.
@littlefish My words exactly! I thought how funny it was and a coincidence that she is playing Zhu Zhi Ruo and is now playing the master. Strange...
Lee Jinglei looks totally different like...PS anyone? Now some may say that is because she is pregnant.....which opens a new query. Honestly, I wonder if she is wearing a prosthetic tummy. A lot of famous people are doing it. Afew years ago, a very famous Hong Kong idol and his wife did it. An annoying Hong Kong so called actress and her ignorant, backward husband did it too. As much as I have no regard for the Kartrashian family, I give kudos to Kim for saying her last child was born via surrogate.
3 kids in 4 years, they were really rushing it. i read that he confirmed that it was a boy in his concert.
@littlefish you know what funny is? in this new copy of DSHS the old sifu (katy chow) is prettier than zhou zhiruo. (zhu xudan). actually the 3 main cast looks like kids and no X-factor.
Will be watching the drama to see if it is nice. Zhang Wuji isn't my favorite character, but Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre is my favorite wuxia book.
@hetieshou Sorry for your loss. My condolences to your family. I believe that we will be able to see our loved ones someday in heaven and they are probably preparing a special room for us so that we can stay with them in future forever. I refer to https://mydramalist.com to see the grading on the Korean series by viewers. Majority of the series aren't nice, so I refer to the website often. Sometimes I wonder what is the point of life. If I were to have a choice between watching television dramas or being with my loved ones in heaven, I will definitely choose to be with my loved ones in heaven. I am just rambling on again, maybe god will hear me rambling on and on again. haha.
I will check this series out for sure. It's one of my favourite wuxia of all-time. I can deal with the annual re-makes and "lesser" beauties as I am certain that this series will be better than anything that TVB churns out these days yet there are still plenty that watches TVB here.
@hetieshou isn’t it funny? She’s used to be szhou zhiruo, now she’s her old self’s sifu xD
Know none of these new generation Mainland actors, only Kathy Chow lol! Since she has portrayed Zhou Zhiruo in the past, it will be interesting to see her as Miejue.
While I am not a fan of the rapid and repeated Jinyong adaptations being produced like an annual event, these stills are a pleasant surprise. Except for Zhu Xudan, not familar with most of the younger cast. Yang Buhui looks sweet. Though I always think Zhang Wuji is wishy washy (love the ambitious Wuji in the movie version) and prefers Zhou Zhiruo to Zhou Min, may give this adaptation a try if there is no other better productions to watch then.
I've seen the two female leads from other dramas and they did not strike me as great beauties. Still, I think I will give this a shot, because I was sceptical about The Legend of the Condor Heroes 2017 and it ended up being one of my favourite Jinyong adaptations ever.
I love this story but am sick of remakes but may see this due to my love of this novel. I only know Joseph Zeng and Kathy Chow from the cast, but there is more to any series rather than just the cast. I saw Joseph Zeng in a few series already and I think he will fit the character of Zhang Wu Ji just fine. I wonder how Kathy will do as Mie Jue Shi Tai? I thought they would get someone older to play that role? Let’s see...
@jayne I doubt that announcing your pregnancy within the first trimester is why this happened. My sister in laws told us right away and all of my nephews are fine. Stefanie Sun announced her first pregnancy right away and her son is fine. I think that is just an old superstition. I know it must be hard to let go of her baby and she will remember him/her for the rest of her life. My late mother had 5 miscarriages in her life and she never forgot my siblings that never made it. She always made offerings to them and prayed for their well being even though they never fully formed into a human form. The love of a good mother is truly boundless. Barbie is lucky to have the support and love of those around her because not everyone has that.
@kk12345 You can watch any new series online either on Viki or YouTube. That is where I watch most of my series. I am sick of remakes too but like you, I love the New Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre. I know the actor that plays Zhang Wu Ji since I have seen him in a few series already. His acting is not too bad and I think he will fit the character of Zhang Wu Ji just fine. Are those Korean series? I stopped watching Korean series since they were not so good. Some were ok but most of them got boring to me. Sadly my late mom passed away in Dec 2016. I miss her so much and will always remember all of the memories that I had watching and discussing series and novels with her. She got sick of remakes too and loved reading the novels more. She was a fan of the Chinese classics as well as Wu Xia.
I think it's better than having the newer Miss HKs lead series. Tbb lacking even more in the fadans category than with the male leads. I would say the only " relatively" yonger ones are Ali, Priscilla, and Natalie. Even they are all like 35+, and their acting still gets bashed.
@mindee that's fine with me. Just voicing my opinion lol. To me his acting is acting, he's not that person he's trying to portray, just my opinion.
@passingby I am not a Samantha Ko or Natalie fan either. But I don't think Benjamin is that bad
That's scary if it is true
You know that Tvb is really scraping the bottom of the barrel when people like Samantha, Natalie and Benjamin are leading dramas. Won't be surprised if Benjamin and Samantha become the next tv king and queen.
@llwy12 samantha's got the looks that wong jing would like but i think his recent tastes have really declined. the girls he's been promoting all look old fashion beauty "loung" but they all have disproportionate bodies.
@jimmyszeto would have to agree that stephen au really pulled it all together! rebecca chan and angela tong as well! actually, really solid cast in general - almost forgot that lo hoi pang was in it as well. weakest links were winnie yeung and the woman who played maggie's mom (never found her to be a good actress)
Wow, TVB is that desperate now they have to cast Samantha as lead? She doesn’t have the charisma to lead a series for one and two her acting is mediocre at best. The story itself sounds lame and the rest of the cast is nothing to shout about either…..looks like this will definitely be another “auto-skip” for me.
@m0m0 Supposedly, Samantha is one of Wong Jing’s recent favorites, which is why he’s been including her in his own series and also movies (she filmed one of his movies that hasn’t been released yet). With her voluptuous figure, it’s actually not surprising that Wong Jing would set his sights on Samantha, since most of his “Jing Ladies” are the sensual, pretty type with good bodies who usually get cast in sexy roles meant to show off their assets (though with that said, I don’t think Samantha is officially a “Jing Lady,” at least not yet). There were also rumors a few years back that TVB’s current owner Charles Chan pegged Samantha as his new favorite, replacing Kate Tsui (who used to be his favorite), which is why she’s been getting so many opportunities at TVB – Charles Chan also happens to be good friends with Wong Jing so that’s probably how Samantha’s connection to WJ started….
@kaykay A massive fan of Stephen Au as well. He is just so likeable onscreen and although he isn’t a comedic genius, he still manages to be funny just being himself.
An automatic miss for me. She hardly has the charisma to play second lead.
@kaykay She definitely is cute but at the same time boring to watch. The show was really bad towards the middle/end so it was no surprise that ratings dropped.
I’ve stopped watching after episode 2... I was going to revisit this drama, because I thought the plot was interesting but I guess I don’t have to waste my time because it flopped. I like Natalie Tong in supporting roles. I don’t think she can carry the drama as main lead.
@jimmyszeto one of my favorite TVB dramas ever and i've rewatched it a handful of times!! joyce tang and ram chiang were FANTASTIC in their supporting roles. but every time i rewatch it, i feel bad that joyce and ram are both very under-utilized now and mostly given crap roles/scripts.
@kaykay Couldn't agree more with your points. To add onto the stuff about the female cast, what a disappointment that everyone was just brushed over as a "love interest". What a waste of talents like Mandy Wong. She wasn't even given a proper "ending"... she just disappeared off the drama randomly after Eddie Cheung's shooting. Heck, they didn't even show their wedding. Jeana was definitely interesting and I liked her role. I also liked Venus, but they made her role rather repetitive. Grace and Ron was the most confusing couple EVER. Ron showed absolutely no signs of interest in Grace to begin with, so I wasn't sure why Grace's character was so butthurt by Ron. He continued to show no interest, and called her out to reject her, and after she says a few things, he suddenly asks her to marry him?? And she says YES?? Do people really just get into marriages with people they barely know, and have not even officially dated yet?
i don't think she has the charisma to lead a drama. she kinda looks like a wicked woman. as far as acting, i think she's okay. i quite like her character in the lawyer drama and her performance in the last steep ascend was memorable. what's her relationship w/ wong jing anyway? usually those girls aren't of the "innocent" next door type kinda of girl.
@kaykay I think Michael Miu has patented these ‘undercover handler’ roles. We will be shocked if we see him play any other type of character. He must be bored. Ron. He must be most unimproved actor ever. Nothing has changed since his debut in ‘Triumph in the Skies’. One dimensional, no energy, dull.
@megamiaow Agree Samantha’s performances have mainly been really flat so far apart from her part in ‘the last steep Ascent’. She has mostly been given the same boring non-cute serious characters to play. Hopefully there are are more subtle characteristics and mannerisms to her lead roles.
@kaykay Same, dont think she has any charisma that would make me want to watch.
Can't get over how they tried to pass Bosco and Ron off as in their late 20s. Hugo Ng is convincing as a villain and Christine looks GREAT in this. Hair and makeup are on point!! **SPOILER ALERT: But, she definitely does not look like she could have birthed Bosco. They look more like siblings that mother-son.** Oscar's performance is overrated and I still think that his best performance by far has been in L'Escargot and Line Walker. Also not usually a fan of Jeana Ho but did like her character here. Grace and Mandy are just flower vases. Venus Wong is promising but underused in this. Ron Ng hasn't improved. Bosco is just Bosco - this role is not challenging for him. Would be interesting if their roles were switched. Michael Miu also plays the same type of role here but is still my #1 older generation 男神. Would also be refreshing to see him and Hugo switch roles.
Stopped watching this after about 5 episodes but stopped because the pacing was sooooo slow and the characters themselves were pretty boring. This also made me realize that although I do like Natalie Tong, I prefer her in supporting roles.
Really like this couple! They seem to spend a lot of time with their children despite busy schedules. Aimee's recent Instagram posts with her daughter are very heartwarming.
Still don't thinks she has the acting chops or charisma to lead a drama. Find her acting mediocre and not very memorable. Also, Agent C9 sounds very similar to that Priscilla Wong + Edwin Siu drama from a while ago.
@jayne I agree. The hotel-esque decor seems so cold and not homely. Also the comment about her only buying a few pairs of shoes and giving the rest away in 2 yrs dont seem to match the picture....
@bubbletea Yeah that nose on Jinny looks done...
Zhang Zi Yi & Gong always looked alike to me. Rebecca Zhu and Fala Chan as well. Probably tonnes Ive forgotten.
@plaru i just saw her recently in 3L3W's movie. Nope, she's still emotionally detached. That role gave room for showcasing emotions, but she still didn't manage to evoke any feelings in me. She's too bland.
The first few episodes are refreshing but halfway through the story became nonsense and the ending is totally rubbish. Very dissapointed with the last few episodes.
Just marketing rumours.
Gosh, Maggie looks so different. I dont mean her hair.
Liying definitely underwent jaw reconstruction and nose job. I see fillers in cheekbones too. Yangmi is likely her nose job. Tang Yan, Cecilia and Zheng Shuang has minor works done. But a couple of the rest are natural. A few I am unsure.
I think CGI looks good to me but I just can't stop being bothered by, would computerized character be able to show the same expression as real human?
Baby Zhang is very pretty. It's quite sad, I think people find her waist big or fat so she didn't get that many opportunities. Her singing is decent too, and I also like her acting. I like both her looks and talents. LYF, I only watched her two dramas ROCH and Chinese Paladin and I say her acting is very good. Movie wise, I don't like any. But I wouldn't say it is her acting though, the stories in those movies were just always too slow. Slow to the point where when I see her face in a movie, my first thinking is "this movie is going to be slow one" So, I think I understand why people find her acting bad. Part of it is also because she tends to play those repeatable characters so many times too: from Chinese Ghost Story to White Vengeance, then The Four, and another The Four II, then Love or Money, etc. They are pretty much all the roles of a very mature, quiet, and pretty lady. But most importantly is actually that the stories always so slow and not fast paced. I can really care less if anybody just want to choose the same character over and over, but the story must be interesting though. She just need better movies.
@plaru Yeah, sorry, but she looks very boring to me in the above photo. If I saw her in the streets, I wouldn't look twice. Going purely off looks, the girl in the last pic has more appeal to me than her, but that wasn't the point. The reason I brought up her looks is because the general consensus is that she cannot act... which means her popularity is mostly due to her appearance (a big head scratcher for me). Now if she had any real talent or personality, then there would be less room for critique. Tang Wei & Zhou Zun, for instance, are average-lookers whom I enjoy watching more than her, due to their ability to emote. Point is, if I thought she was talented, how she looks would matter significantly less. And don't even get me started on those vapid, plastic actresses that are saturating the market nowadays...
@plaru I'm an equal opportunist hater. I say the same stuff about the actress regardless if she's had plastic or not, based off her talent and works. Her looks aren't the main concern here. It's because of her expressions (or lack there of) that ppl don't like her. Angelababy has the same reputation around here as LYF.
@sugarcane She is beautiful, look at the picture above, it looks like very little to no makeup and... sure she looks cold and aloof but overall she is still pretty. There are way way worse actresses than her and are even more popular because they are plastic everywhere. Take out their milky white skin and will they look good with the yellow asian skin like above? At least LYF is natural. At least she also did not go slice her chin sharp, and go stretch her eyes to the size of exceedingly gigantic huge ridiculous anime eyes right?
@gregrh Very true about the quality part. Many of TVB’s best series from their Golden Age (late 1970s to early 1990s) were 40+ episodes and most of those are classics that are still revered even today. With that said though, it’s harder to find success with long episode counts nowadays, since audiences have so many options and being able to capture as well as maintain their attention is a challenge — which is why TVB needs to focus on the story and eliminate all the fluff that will turn audiences away faster than they realize. Personally, I can’t stand Mainland series — yes, the quality is there in terms of production values, but story-wise, too long and draggy.
@coralie What amazes me is how she has managed to come this far by purely relying on her (average) looks alone, because let's be real... this girl has the emotional range of a sandwich! It boggles my mind that she's often hailed as one of the most attractive celebrities in China. Take off the make-up and there's nothing about her that will set her apart from the average crowd. Personality-wise, she's about as interesting as a piece of cardboard. She's the definition of a "Plain Jane". Some people are just born lucky, I suppose. She has one heck of a manager (her mom?), I'll give her that.
@llwy12 TVB's method of production is rubbish - they really just don't care about quality. But making series based on episode count can work if done properly with high production values. I watch mostly Mainland series that are 50+ episodes and they're quite enjoyable.
@coralie uhm, maybe I’m not good at this makeup thing but she looks totally different from the pink shirt photo to her current look. I guess if I see a bare face photo I will see it better, but currently, it felt like she fixed her nose. And she did something to her lips.
I can see Nic in him lol
Of course, no one should be surprised. Even with a good premise, once it gets into TVB's hands, they are bound to mess it up. Honestly, the way TVB produces its series is still so antiquated -- they need to stop making series based on episode count and instead just let the story flow (I would much rather watch a series that is only 5 or 6 episodes but the story is tightly written and nothing is dragged out). You know, it's kind of funny -- TVB's series copied so many things from HKTV's series the past few years, but they didn't seem to "copy" one of the most important aspects of HKTV's series, which was an "open" approach to filming based on script rather than episode count (HKTV's series ranged from 5 episodes to 25 episodes, with most series being somewhere in between -- for example: The Election was 15 episodes, Borderline was 17, The Menu was 24, To Be or Not to Be was 25, Doom+5 was 5 eps, Karma was 9 episodes, etc). One of the best series I watched last year (ok, technically the past 3 years in terms of HK series) was ViuTV's "My Very Short Marriage", which was only 5 episodes, yet it was so profound and thought-provoking (of course much of this had to do with the fabulous script written by Candace Chong and the excellent directing by award-winning HK film director Steve Chan). It's a series that I've already re-watched several times and still, it makes me think and reflect each time... Also, both of Fox Asia's upcoming highly anticipated HK series ("The Trading Floor" and "Stained) are only 5 episodes and though neither series has aired yet, the 1 minute trailers for both already blow all of TVB's series out of the water. Basically, as illustrated above, there are plenty of examples out there where the producers/directors let the script dictate the flow of the series rather than the episode counts and those turned out really well. This is obviously yet another one of the "antiquated processes" that TVB needs to change....
@passingby It has an interesting plot but quite boring after a few episodes. I am actually ok w/Benjamin finally being able to lead a series. I never like Natalie Tong's acting and there isn't really any chemistry between them either.
cute when he was a baby
I've not watched this yet but Ben Natalie and Rebecca are imo incapable of leading dramas. This combination sounds boring no wonder so few people are watching.
i thought the drama had an interesting plot and thought it'd perform well. well, considering it's tvb, cliche plot and overuse ideas is not entirely shocking
@littlefish yup! this article sums up everything about her that makes her a terrible actress: https://quartzy.qz.com/1142658/imdb-rating-disneys-pick-for-mulan-liu-yifei-is-one-of-chinas-worst-actresses/. sometimes a pretty face can be one's worst insecurity and downfall, especially if one expects to rest on this laurel for life.
@jimmyszeto I haven’t warmed up to Ron ever! His acting felt meh, and boring! Bosco on the other hand, is quite interesting to watch! Main problem with this series? There is no actress I know or like??? And the first episode felt weak, I’ve seen a lot of TVB cop series, and I tend to like a lot of them, this one felt meh and lots of hole! I miss the old tiger cubs lol
@littlefish kim kardashian did it hahaha... but then she regretted doing that to her forehead to remove the baby hairs cus she said it made her look older. here are some photos of yang zi. she still has the same features, except sharper now (due to age, makeup, etc. I think): https://www.cpopland.com/2018/02/actress-yang-zi-undergoes-visual.html
@msxie0714 I know, however some of the acclaimed actors and actress also couldn’t capture my attention either? Like it’s not their acting, it just I don’t feel drawn in. But some can pull you in, like ZDY and Tavia Yeung lol! I never think of Tavia as pretty either when I first saw her, but something about the way her voice broke when she does crying scenes, her eyes, how she looks at you, it just break you! Over time she just won me over, same with ZDY.
@coralie wouldn’t you see the hairline if you shave it? Lol! Unless you laser removing your hair? Idk I never done this sort of thing to have any knowledge on whether it’s possible! All I know is it seems a few of this actress has their forehead bigger! Yang Zi, it’s not just her skin being super tight, it’s her lips, the whole face scream plastic to me. It likes schemes of a beauty, some ladies in there, first glance and you can tell they are plastic, same with Yang Zi, and most of the time, it’s the lips that have a way. It’s just too puffy! Her face doesn’t seem natural to me, too sculptured? But in the wrong way? Can’t explain lol! Anyway, if you can link me her younger self photos, might be of help :)
was the first one even good? didn't watch since the cgi was so badly done
@coralie yup, I’m questioning her emotion in that first still. It felt like she’s trying to frown but her face is cold, dead, and no emotion??? -.-
To be fair, Leon had gone through a divorce already. So his confidence in marriage must be somewhat reduced. And his GF is also a divorcee, further decreasing relationship-confidence. Having a baby doesn't guarantee a relationship will succeed, so I can see why he hesitates. As long as he's financially supporting her, the title isn't as important, I guess.
I think I read a report a long time ago about how Louis Koo has memory problems. Or maybe he has trouble with retaining long-term memory? After an accident or something. It baffles me how he's able to still do movies and remember crazy long scripts if that's true. He didn't even remember he did a movie with Charlene before; that's how bad his memory was. Maybe that's the reason why he can't have a relationship. How sucky is it to have a GF but not even remember loll. It's like 50 first dates.
@littlefish yang zi has the unfortunate luck of a puffy face lol. if you look at her old pics, she looks exactly the same. it's easy to mistake her for plastic cus it's so tight-looking. but she's natural. yeah I didn't realize ZLY's forehead grew too. but maybe she just shaved some hair off to make it look longer now hahaha. who knows. but if she underwent surgery to grow her forehead...it's kinda crazy.
her face is really so *yawn* I really hope that vanity of hers is now fixed and she's actually capable of producing emotions. otherwise this is a drama to pass on, no matter how great the cast.
@jayne Really frightening to suddenly not have control of your own body. Clearly know that you are awake but can't physically move. It definitely isn't a dream too because the mind seems clear...
They look the same, except younger.
@hetieshou I am not sure where I can watch the condor heroes online. But I will probably not be watching it as I am also tired of remakes. But I will watch Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre if it comes out, as it is my favorite wuxia book. Just finished watching 3 of Yoo Seung-Ho's shows. I'm not a robot, remember and ruler:master of the mask. Oh, is your mum still watching series with you? Ruler:master of the mask seems quite an ok ancient series, not fantastic though.
I think singles can be happy whether or not they are married. It is more important to be rich, than to be single or married. Louis Koo used to have a girlfriend who was an actress in TVB and I used to wonder why they broke up. I think it was the actress who acted in Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils 1997.
@IIwy12 hahaha, your last sentence made me lol. A lot of young people are so lost nowadays and all they know about is K-pop, G.E.M Angelababy and Grace Chan among others who can't sing or act. All the fluid, talented actors and singers are a puzzle to the younger generation. You are onto something though. The other men from that group either got married before children, or they got married just as girlfriend became pregnant, like Moka Fang and Aaron Kwok. Andy Lau was married to Carol Chu for far longer than 2008, and Jacky (Angel Voice) Cheung was a husband and then father to his two daughters. It will be interesting to see if Leon puts a ring on it soon. Gotta admit though, Wing does not have the most desirable track record when it comes to love relationships.
@littlefish Some of the world's most acclaimed actresses are not conventionally pretty. Too many critical fans misplace beauty contest standards as a substitute for good acting skills.
Leehom and Aarif Lee Rahman are easily mistaken as twins sometimes.
@llwy12 thanks! Sadly I don’t tend to check who produce the series! Luckily I tend to be quite picky lawl!
@wm2017 Exactly! Next time, note to self – if it’s produced by Wong Jing, don’t even bother watching because you know it’s going to be nothing but a waste of time, LOL…even if there are A-listers in the cast, you know that in Wong Jing’s hands, he’s going to manage to ruin it. With that said though, if you’re truly interested in watching Wong Jing’s productions, just watch the TVB series he produced back in the 1970s/early 1980s and/or the movies he did in the 1980s/early 1990s, since pretty much everything else he has produced in the 30+ years since then have been a rehash of those series and movies in one form or another….
@littlefish No, not TVB. It’s a web series co-produced by Wong Jing’s company Mega-Vision and Mainland streaming platform iQiyi. TVB bought the broadcast rights to it though, which is why the series is currently airing on TVB and myTV super.
@wm2017 who produce this Wesley series? TVB?
@bubbletea Maybe that’s why Leon hasn’t married her – at least this way, without legitimate status as the wife, she technically can’t touch his wealth if the relationship ends up going sour. I found it interesting that in his announcement, there was mention of him being a father, but no mention at all of marriage – whereas the way it usually works with most celebrities (like fellow Heavenly King Aaron Kwok for example) is that they get married as soon as the pregnancy is confirmed (which is also the guy’s way of showing he is committed to taking care of the wife and child). Now of course, Leon may have his own very legitimate reasons why he is not going the marriage route – and who knows, he might even be planning it but just not letting the media know that he’s doing so…but even so, part of me still has suspicions about this relationship and its “legitimacy” in terms of whether they truly love each other or it was just a fling that resulted in a pregnancy and while he is willing to take responsibility for the child, might not be the same for the mother. LOL…I guess nowadays it’s a moot point how many “heavenly kings” there are because most of the newer generation don’t know who they are anyway. ViuTV did a survey where they interviewed several hundred people born “after 2000” and asked them if they knew who the 4 heavenly kings were – majority of them had no clue….alot of them thought the 4 Heavenly Kings was an old 90s boy band, haha….
@m0m0 Well, the Wesley series is kind of a bad example because it’s produced by Wong Jing and he is known for doing all that stuff you mentioned (basically recycle old stories, cram in boatloads of big name veterans, and add in Category III element – usually related to sex but could be violence too) and then some. To me, it’s not necessarily that majority of Mainland audiences want that kind of stuff (though some of them probably do), but rather it’s the censorship rules over there limiting audiences’ options, then directors like Wong Jing turn that into an excuse to be lazy by rehashing the same stuff over and over again. The ironic part is that even Mainland audiences are bashing the Wesley series, saying it’s horribly produced, the plot makes no sense, the acting sucks, and – most importantly – the adaptation is a huge departure from what was in the books (sure, some liberty taken is fine and even expected, but when it’s done so poorly as it was in this series, plus everything about the series sucks except the veterans, makes things like that harder to swallow).
@jimmyszeto i’ve also had this paralyzing experience a few times in the middle of the night. Very frightening... and very hard to go back to sleep afterward.
@vell I have had it plenty of times. I think it is to do with nerves and also bad sleeping patterns. I think it is the closest to after having a stroke. You want to move and you brain is trying to tell you to use but you wont budge however much energy you use. What you see in front of you while paralysed is exactly the same until you finally wake. It is horrible....
@jimmyszeto speaking of underusing veterans and senseless production, i am watching the wesley series. could have been a much better production had they actually put in effort to make it not such a b rated and category III drama. nowadays it seems like as long as there are big household names and a cliche plot would make good viewship in china. are viewers in china really not able to accept new things and seeing things from another perspective?
@littlefish It was her complexion. She didn’t look as ethereal as in 3l3w. The filters for that drama were on point.
@littlefish She’s one of the few artists who are better in movies than dramas. Same way I feel about Nic Tse.
@tiffany legend of banshu used really vibrant colour scheme (everyone looks like clowns to me there) and DD’s hairstyle was horrible. I didn’t watch it but I saw pic of her from the ridiculous hairstyle list. DD belongs to a tribe with mix euroasia blood, so genetically she is mixed :)
This is so sad to hear. But she's taken it in stride it seems. All the best for her and her family.
First of all, there is only one Heavenly King, there are many kings, but only one Heavenly King. It is so blasphemous to address these four men as such. No wonder some of them act like they are above mere mortals, because we the mortals, have elevated them to such heights. This Wing sure knows what she wanted, and what she wanted was an A-list celebrity. Well, she has snagged one of the very top celebs in Asian entertainment, not necessary as an entertainer, but as in popularity, wealth and e-biz status. Way to go Wing, you smart gold-digger you!. Unfortunately, when she digs all the gold from Leon's mine, and leaves him high and dry, their daughter is the one who is going to be shuffled between tow homes, might even blame herself for the breakup, as most children do.
@tiffany as much as I love ZDY, I found she interesting in movies, I tried her tv drama and I was like meh lol. I think with movies, her roles are always so versatile, and it’s not cookie cutter, whereas TV drama always the same heroine. And yea, she is not pretty lawl! Love her but I cringe at her tv commercial lawl!
i like 井柏然 and the plot is somewhat similar to if love
@tiffany I know, her face is boring alone. haha lol....
@jimmyszeto I had the same paranormal experience as Raymond. I felt like I was being held down but couldn't move even though I knew I was awake. I could feel my surrounding, and I also saw white misty stuff floating next to me. I've never experienced this before, and I only experienced this when I was living in my old flat in HK.
I find her boring in TV dramas lol
@jimmyszeto Had the same paralyzing experience once years ago, except there were orbs floating around the room.
Isn't Kara Hui's last name 惠？
@sugarcane Dilreba was very raw in The Legend of Banshu. I didn’t find her attractive there. It’s not uncommon to have tweaks here and there. Very few would admit to it though lol
@m0m0 I think it is a mixture of parent's influence,superstition, culture, poor education, exhaustion, hallucinations, fabricating stories to gain attention etr
@llwy12 I felt Maggie was one of the few to come out of Miss HK and settled in nicely into acting straight away. There aren't many. Amy Kwok was another. Like I say 2003 was a massive year for her. Her performance in 'The King of Yesterday and Tomorrow' was brilliant. It's great that the more veteran TVB actresses(Maggie, Jessica) are now given opportunities in HK movies when it seemed that their time has long gone. Would make a change from seeing difference faces from just male dominated HK movies..
@llwy12 yeah, that's my hunch too. i don't know why hk tv personel always talk about ghosts and superstitions. like spencer lian, he had a whole talk show and would even today, his radio show would occasionally have these older generation actors come up to talk about their experiences.
@littlefish Is Dilreba mixed? She looks too exotic for my preference, but I agree that she's attractive and looks all natural. I do believe ZLY has had some work done on her jaw, and am also of the (unpopular) opinion that Cecilia C. has also had some very minor fine-tuning.
@jimmyszeto Yup, both of them were really good in that series – awesome chemistry! You know, it’s interesting, but I never really felt Maggie was a good actress until after she left TVB and I started seeing her performances in movies and other TV series – she’s actually very versatile and in recent years, I’ve developed a newfound respect for her. I’m not a fan per se, but I did love her performance in HKTV’s To Be or Not To Be. Saw a few trailers for “The Trough” and it does sound appealing. Maggie is also leading that new Fox Asia series alongside Francis Ng (which it was announced yesterday will officially premiere on Fox’s Chinese-language channels on 5/24) and with the spectacular cast that she worked with there, I’m sure her acting will be on par...I think 2018 may also be Maggie’s year….
@m0m0 Most likely overworked….I would imagine that any normal person who doesn’t sleep for 3 days consecutively probably won’t be able to think straight so having hallucinations and seeing weird stuff is not surprising. The reporters are basically making a mountain out of a molehill. Like the Daddy Cool one for example, they made such a big deal out of it, with everyone including the producer trying to justify whether the studio is haunted or not, only to find out that it was just a simple decoration that no one paid attention to while filming. Whoever “reported” it as a ghost in the first place must feel stupid. Some people have way too much time on their hands….
This article is kind of wrong…the Daddy Cool one was actually cleared up yesterday – that “shadow” is actually a decoration…in one of the other episodes (I think it’s episode 17 or 18) there is actually a close up of it. It’s basically a gourd-shaped decoration with black netting-like material that is either situated on the table or hanging on the wall….it’s only from far away and from certain camera angles that it looks like a shadow of a woman.
Out of all the ghost stories, uncle Raymond's one has the least credibility and can be explained. It's called sleep paralysis and I have had it a lot too. It can be caused by having irregular sleeping patterns or over tiredness. It is a feeling of being awake or maybe actually awake but cant move an inch and feels held down and paralysed. I have forcing myself to move and tried shouting to others for help me but nothing comes out. Eventually it gets undone and wake up safely. Definitely a horrible experience but it is not getting held down by a female ghost, that's for sure!
all these ghost encounters. can't really tell true or just people were overworked.
@m0m0 there are two Cecilia lol! Which one did you prefer to? Also it’s so personal. While I admit she’s pretty (Lui Shi Shi), she needs strong makeup to be stunning otherwise, her look is just kinda boring (or maybe her acting, I tend to be bored looking at her). Atm, Dilraba is topping my chart as she seems a lot more fun than all the other girls. Dilraba and Lui Yi Fei top my pretty list but LYF bored me, too lol
@coralie ZYL - not just the jaw but her forehead seems bigger now. Before, her forehead is smaller, make her face seems short and round/square, but the later picture, her forehead is a lot longer, make the face longer too, and therefore skinnier. Isn’t Tiffany mean to have PS as well? I remembered a few said she did on Jaynestars. YM has some tweak, too, I think. Yang Zi looks pretty plastic/commercial to me, I could be wrong but her face is like one of those factory produce face. Out of this lots, Lui Shi Shi, Dilraba, Lui Yi Fei, Zhou Dong Yu and Cecilia Cheung (before Botox due to old age) are natural to me.
@passingby she and her other actresses who portray the wholesome image is really BS. she should have kept a low profile even for this 2nd one. she is so fake.
cecilia is the prettiest among them all.
@coralie Zheng Shuang - I think you are right. She looks cute enough I didn't understand why she did plastic surgery. I think she lack confidence when she was dating that ex bf or something on a talk show or whatever show.
ZLY used to have a square jaw. Even when I watched that movie "The Palace," ZLY still had a square jaw in there. In more recent dramas, ZLY seems to have a smaller, oval-y face. I'm not sure this is attributable to weight loss. Maybe botox? ----- Zheng Shuang I think openly admitted she had PS. But don't quote me on that. I could be wrong. ------ Tiffany looks better nowadays than she did back then. I can't tell if this is natural or not. ---- The rest looks more or less the same, so I think they're natural.
@kuks Agree. Shotgun weddings are common these days but don't say one thing and do another.
@tiffany also physical change from youth to adult, and sometimes plastic surgery.
@passingby +1 it was totally because of the whole shotgun thing because they've marketed themselves as wholesome Christians, the pregnancy didn't fit in with the image...
Mainly because of better makeup and more filters lol
The fetus suddenly stopping development is quite common within the first trimester, which is why many women choose to announce their pregnancy after the first 12 weeks are past. As a mom, it is always hard to let go of her own baby, even if the pregnancy lasted for only a few weeks. But Barbie seems to handle herself well given the circumstances, by cherishing the love around her.
It seems like Nick aged a lots and looks like he needs more sleep and rest too his eyes looks very tired.
@coralie Rosamund's home seems very cold; the bedroom resembles a hotel room and the living room a hotel lobby. The lines are very clean, to the point that doesn't feel like a home. I actually thought Richard Li's girlfriend Karmen Kwok's home with the rooftop swimming pool is nicer. Can go outside for fresh air, get tan, and swim in privacy. :) https://www.jaynestars.com/news/why-billionare-richard-li-loves-plain-jane-karmen-kwok/
They all look pretty naturally pretty to me except for Jinny Ng? Esp the cutest---Priscilla Wong, Ali, Angel Chiang & Yo yo
@jimmyszeto I love that series. It was really funny. I don't remember much now except these two were the leads but both of them and the side characters were also really funny. haha...
@llwy12 OMG that Wesley series .... It was so crappy same as that Bet Hur or whatever. Wasted 2 hours of my life hahah lol.....WTH is that really???
@jimmyszeto Yup…and you know it’s bad when the media keeps talking about the guys in the series taking their shirts off or showing their supposedly hot bodies in some scene, as though that’s what the series is about and there is nothing else about the plot worth talking about (most of the articles I’ve read about the series so far from mainstream media outlets seem to either be about the “excellent ratings” aka view counts or recounting some scene where one of the guys went topless)….glad I didn’t waste my time watching this series.
@jimmyszeto Agreed. Pat’s character is indeed annoying and so is Rosina’s (though with her it’s mostly the acting that’s annoying me)….I kind of wish Elvina were the lead in this because her character is the only one on the female side that’s well-portrayed. Yea, Wayne has indeed lost a bit of that fire, which is why I think him leaving TVB and venturing out is a good thing, since there really isn’t much more he can do if he stays – almost all of his roles nowadays are the type that he can pretty much do in his sleep. Also, in the past couple interviews that he’s done, it’s pretty obvious that he is tired and ready to scale back so that he can enjoy life more. With the series heading into finale week and more emphasis on the 1940s storyline, hopefully that means we see more of Carlos and Joel and less of Pat and Rosina….no doubt Wayne will feature heavily in the last couple episodes as well…too bad John gor has less and less screen time though….
some people just have luck w/. men despite whatever that they do good/bad.
Wow. Ali, Kamen and Crystal are natural beauties.....
Flying tiger just seems like another senseless production to meet the lucrative web series market. Another undercover cop story where it is very blantant to everyone that he is undercover. The evil side of the cast Oscar and Hugo Wong are really weak. The veterans aren’t used enough. At this stage of his career, I expect Bosco to me taking up better quality roles. Worried he might fall into the Ron bracket soon...
@llwy12 Joel is so good at playing villains but he really needs to be rebranded as a male lead. It’s a waste to underuse him with the lack of talent about. Feel Wayne has lost the ‘fire’ and motivation that turned him from the best support actor into the best male lead actor. He is accepting any role and churning out passable performances. Can understand though because he has worked his butt off for the last few decades. Not enough screentime for Carlos, John and Elvina in recent episodes. Pat’s character is annoying and is not worth hogging the scenes.
@bubbles23 Ron was playing this type of the role for the last 10+ years and it won’t be s surprise if he continues for the next 10 years. He’s not even any good at it. His English needs to improve. It’s Poker .... not ‘pocker’
2003 was Maggie’s year. Her chemistry with Nick was excellent as the bickering ex-couple on a cruise ship.
I think Kandy Wong is natural. The only difference you see is her eyes and skin color. But that can be faked with falsies, eyelash glue/tape and lots of eyeliner. Her skin can be bleached. Jinny is suspect. Jacquelin Chong is already verified by herself.
With floor-to-ceiling windows like that, can people still open them? That's a really high fall... But very nice! 3,000 sq feet even by American standards is a sizable property for a family of 4-5. If this is all on one level, that's like a penthouse property.
These women are still natural, no PS done ...... except fot the last three. Jacquelin Chong, Jinny Ng and Kandy Wong definitely had PS done, but it was good work.
the last three look quite scary. jinny looks totally different, hard to believe that she didn't get ps.
that's cool, i always like female villains
@elizabeth I still prefer Daddy Cool, but mostly because of the acting from the male cast – Carlos, Wayne, John gor, and Joel are all excellent in their roles and have been keeping the series going for me. The female side is weak (with the exception of Elvina Kong and Mary Hon, both of whom have been great) and the story itself is meh but overall the series is still decently watchable. With Pat Ha, I agree her performance has been disappointing, but I’m willing to cut her some slack considering she hasn’t acted in anything in like 3 decades – I expect her acting skills to be rusty. OMG, that Wesley series is beyond horrible…even with the A-listers in the series (like Simon Yam for example), can’t save such a crappy production. Honestly, Wong Jing needs to retire and stop polluting our screens with his sub-par, unwatchable productions. Glad to see Wong Jing is getting a lot of much deserved hate right now, though unfortunately he doesn’t give a crap if HK audiences complain because HK is worthless to him now....hope more Mainlanders bash the series so WJ can see that even his favorite audience doesn’t support him.
@wm2017 It is that kind of stereotypical blanket statements which makes things really awkward for single people as they get older. Why would it be necessary to compellingly fit someone into a mold that society sees fit? Life is not a series of programming logic with only IF ELSE statements. Regardless of whether Louis is homosexual, heterosexual, asexual or pansexual, we should all respect his wish to live the way he wants.
I just feel it is an OK series, but brings nothing new to the plot. The veterans are there but get so underused. I just wish Ron gets given another role. He does suit angry and impulsive roles but it is getting boring after 10+ years, and it is not doing anything to help display his acting skills. And the songs are boring as well. But at least it is doing better than the Wesley series which is very bad. despite its casting. Even "Daddy Cool" is getting slow. Pat Ha's character is disappointing as a "villain". I think I am going to stay away from TVB series for a while until "Brothers" comes out.
Lucky girl to have a cute and hot and caring bf.
@janet72 Despite how they spun a story to cover up her shotgun pregnancy not everyone wil be fooled. Thus her pregnancy was shrouded in secrecy and she went to all sorts of extent to hide her bump even resorting to hiding her tummy behind a huge soft toy. And when she gave birth it was equally secretive.
I have somewhere along the way ... actually thought Louis Koo was gay.
@janet72 it's her child lol and I guess because the public loves Kelly so she's more relaxed this time
ZYL is too old to play 18yo! Same as ZS, plus I don’t feel ZYL can play that part of ZDY well, she most likely will be playing her usual “I’m too cool” role if she was to take the role. Plus this is a big shoe to fill, better not do it than being compared to ZDY. And this drama will most likely fail because let’s be real, the male lead is kinda bad/douche almost, plus cdrama loves to drag, so it will be really slow! And you already know the twist, which is the only good thing about the movie, so this drama will most likely flop
@wm2017 I know what you mean! I wish he would come out if he is gay, as I love him and would like to see him happy :) My other two favourite actors are Chilam and Vic Zhou, and those two seems to be in stable loving relationship with kid! Hopefully one day Louis will get there :) or just have a puppy and gush about them! Lol xD
Unfounded rumors per usual
Someone help Ron complete his police resume lol. I agree his role is very meh but i dont blame Ron. And the story started going dwnhill after Hugo went to jail. And further the plot stopped making sense when Bosco went " undercover". Ron's romance side plot is so awkward and almost unnecessary for plot dev. Wish they will focus more on Sam Ko, she has an interesting character!
Lucky guy, g/f looks very cute. He is also quite cute as well, liking his performance on that time travel series.
Oscar's character as a cruel character is fresh and convincing. Christine is classy. NICE. as for Ron, he is super convincing as a rash police officer just like in earlier roles. Michael Miu and Eddie Cheung are great!!!
first one so quiet...now talk so much.
@anon “High school play” is actually a compliment. Anthony Wong put it best when he said that compared to outside, TVB’s series are essentially “kindergarten productions.” So true!
@anon "Most of the TVB series churning out these days are worse than a high school play. It’s pretty freakin sad." TVB doesn't really seem to inject a lot of resources to produce high quality series. Its strategy in recent months seems to be just buy productions produced outside. It is a less risky move to buy critically acclaimed Mainland series or air other Hong Kong web series produced by Shaw Brothers. I suspect its strategy for 2018 will remain the same. TVB will continue to produce some series to meet local HK viewers' preferences, but it is not about to put a lot of cash behind its series. It seems happy to just cast amateur actors and produce B-grade or subpar dramas to fill its time slots.
@jayne oh wow I didn’t know he’s mix or dated Myolie before. He doesn’t even looks mix with Italian. Lol. I thought he looked more like Japanese. Thanks for your reply.
@anon I thought I was the only who thought so. In the beginning I was very happily chasing episode by episode. After Ron Ng's dad went to jail it really became much more boring. I skipped thru 20's and not chasing anymore. I think they just can't find good scriptwriters or something that's why they are doing these cop series, it's like they really can't come up w/anything else these days. Garbage is cruel but it's truly what it is on some of these series these days.
@littlefish Sometimes when people are still single when they are already in late 40's or 50s, they often come to the conclusion that they might be gay or lesbian. Have anyone ever wonder if Louis Koo is gay? haha lol... I am not saying he is but usually people assume that if they are not attached at a older age you know what I mean? We never heard anything of him or dating anyone or I just know nothing about him. haha ....
This drama started going downhill after episode 7 or so when the story lost focus on Hugo Ng, instead focused on Ron which had the worst plot compared with the rest. Many twists and turns don't even make sense (typical TVB). I've caught up to Ep. 28 so far, Hugo's character pretty much vanished by now. Hugo and Christine's story have the best backstories, they should focus more on those characters rather than Ron's pathetic flings and his quick temper (typical TVB) It's your better than average TVB drama series for sure. Christine Ng's acting is good. Hugo's is solid as usual. Everybody else is just playing to their usual typecasted roles. I think the compliments are less deserving than it should. Afterall, it's 2018, this is the quality that audience should expect from EVERY TVB series. This is by no mean a great drama, but it is watchable for most. Most of the TVB series churning out these days are worse than a high school play. It's pretty freakin sad. I have no clue why anyone is watching them still. No words can describe how garbage it is.
@flakpanzer40 Haha…yup….though technically it’s more of an achievement for OCTB considering at the time, they didn’t have any major studios supporting them, plus that series was made specifically for HK audiences, not Mainland, so the fact that it was able to still pull off such huge view counts from an audience it wasn’t even targeting speaks volumes. :-)
@jayne LOL…I see…though it’s no wonder that TVB would want to have their stuff air on Internet platform instead of regular television….2.1 billion views sounds way more impressive than say, 30 points average ratings….plus I’m assuming very few people will actually try to break down the calculation to see if it makes sense (yes, I’m weird that way)….most audiences will probably just take the number given and run with it without questioning
her children are so cute, esp the baby
@cutie777 "Yes feel sorry for Margaret Chung especially Joey cheated on her after so many together and I wonder is her husband chinese? The name doesn’t sound like one?" It may be a good thing that Joey cheated on Margaret while they were dating instead of after marriage. So she can move on and find a better man. Nardone Ruggero is an IT professional. He is half Chinese, half Italian, and was Myolie Wu's ex-boyfriend. They dated before Myolie competed in Miss Hong Kong pageant. I think they were together for approximately 4 years. After Myolie broke up with Nardone, she dated Bosco Wong.
@llwy12 And i think Youku is doing the calculation, not TVB themselves. I checked again though and OCTB also reached 2 billion views, so props to OCTB again lmao
@llwy12 I think the 2.1 billion views mean total views for the 23 episodes so far, so each episode got approximately 91 million views. This doesn't mean unique viewers...they are just measuring the total views, similar to YouTube. So if a viewer watches half an episode and goes back online to watch again later, it may count as 2 views for that episode. "Flying Tiger" is also popular with the overseas Chinese population. But of course, Shaw Brothers produced "Flying Tiger" with Mainland audiences in mind, due to the huge population. I think HK web dramas will be the next big wave as they have higher budgets than TVB dramas. TVB is airing more ouside productions now, with HK web dramas, Mainland Chinese, and Korean dramas. Which means its own TVB studio productions may be just to fill up the air slots.
Hmmm….is the 2.1 billion Mainland China only? That’s what it sounds like from the article as well as news reports. I wonder how they come up with these “view counts.” China’s entire population is only about 1.4 billion people…..if the view count is truly 2.1 billion, then they are either double-dipping with the numbers or there is a wrong calculation somewhere….even if they add HK viewers into the mix, still doesn’t make sense because population of HK is only 7 million. I’m curious how this “view count” is being calculated….TVB needs to make the calculation public, but of course they won’t because it would be proof that they are inflating the numbers…
Sad how these two don’t date lol! They were my favourite couple in detective file investigation! First couple that really make out well on screen lawl!
I have been following the story on Chinese websites. Elaine never received any money from Jack Chan. She confirmed that openly on a press conference and Jack Chan and his people never openly said that he did, so I believe it. Some people said her mother used her as a money tree and asked for money and that is totally wrong. Her mother was a character and was powerful, because she was a successful business woman. She was wealthy and she was the one who supported for Elaine and the grand daughter. Elaine's parents divorced when she was one, and her mother raised her. Being a single mother, her mother was strong and powerful and made money and provided Elaine a rich childhood. While Jack Chan had a poor childhood and is illiterate, Elaine and Jack's background were not on the same level. It is understandable when Jack said he was not going to pay her a dime, she didn't sue him for alimony just because of pride, although she was advised to. Her mother was power but also abusive toward Elaine all her life. And that was the reason she moved back from Shanghai to Hong Kong with Etta in 2011. She borrowed 5 millon HK $ from her mother to buy a property to settle down, which she said she never paid back to her mother. It was those years in Hong Kong that she had financial difficulty, because she had to provide for their living and she didn't get much work. Etta was going to an expensive private school. Her mother died late 2015 and probably left her some money and she is not saying she has difficulties now. Jack was the one who chased after Elaine, and many people confirmed that. Elaine was young and pretty at the time, and for Jack Chan, chasing after pretty girls is part of his life. I don't know if Elaine's pregnancy was a plot or accident. Elaine's story was when she told Jack she was pregnant, he changed his face so fast and was furious. I think she was hurt and wanted to keep the child as a revenge. She said she got permission from her mother so she could keep the child. Jack Chan is a self centered, uneducated moron. Moral, dignity and responsibility are things he is never taught. He donates to charity because he gets pay backs from the Chinese government. They give him all kinds of honors and political positions which he lacks in his background. Those are more important to him than his children. He acts too much that he acts in his real life. It is so sad to be born as his child.
It makes him sound like another Edison Chen. So if tvb terminated his contract that means they still owe Nathan money since he’s still have contract with them? I think he’s okay as an actor.
@wm2017 well if that’s true about what you say then don’t her ex husband knew what kinda girl she is before they got married?
@prairie I get the same vibe. I don't remember his role in Line Walker. Actually, I can't recall any of his roles.. lol.
He went out with Edison Chen’s ex and she said in an interview a while ago that he is muuuuuuuch more of a jerk and player than Edison or any guy could be...
@karina congrats to Fala for getting her degree. Her opportunities are limitless now. I for one agree she should not go back to TVB, as it will be a waste of her hard earned degree and her talent. Fala is a pretty decent actress. Yes Hollywood is not really kind to Asian artists. In fact, they are not too kind to black actors/ actresses who are born in the good old USA. Having said that, maybe the Asian culture will realize what blatant racism is, as they are extraordinarily racist towards darker skin people, especially blacks . I know I will get crucified f poo r this, but I do not mimd being verbally lynched for speaking the truth.
@kidd Charmaine definitely has alot more good friends than the 6 mentioned here...since this article was focused on the cliques and groups at TVB, no surprise that others not belonging to the group weren't mentioned. Not sure about Marie Chan but yea, Catherine Chau is very close with Charmaine, as is former TVB actor Bryant Mak, who is their god-brother. I've never been a fan of Charmaine's and I'm still not keen on her acting, but my respect for her as a person did go up a notch a few years back when Catherine made it big at HKTV and Charmaine openly showed her support for her, despite the fact that she was working for (and still contracted with) TVB at the time (I remember Charmaine posting about episodes of HKTV series she had watched on her social media and praising Catherine for her performance...also, she and Catherine continued to hang out and even attended functions together where HKTV people were present). We all know how big the rivalry was between TVB and HKTV back then (though technically it was more one-sided in that TVB hated HKTV for being a legitimate threat to their monopoly so anyone who dared to associate themselves with HKTV were pretty much asking for TVB's wrath), so for Charmaine to not give a crap and still support her friend was a big deal to me -- especially given how most other TVB artists tried to steer as far away as possible from anyone even remotely associated with HKTV (some friendships actually went south because of it, which I personally thought was stupid on the artists' part).
@coralie Yea...Margaret actually did an in-depth interview with Mingpao Weekly last year about her daughter's condition...it broke my heart just reading about her daughter's struggle and the things the family had to go through. I agree that she's very brave and has done a great job so far -- the fact that her daughter is doing relatively well now and has survived well past the initial prognosis of 2 years old is definitely testament to this!
As expected. The defendents will try to prove the alleged victim was willing in rough play.
Oh I remember Sherming Yiu! She was in the HKTV series Love In Time with Danson Tang and Michelle Wei. Quite a talented pool of friends.
You can choose to have the victim mindset for your entire life or take the difficult way to rise above the hardships and become someone useful to the world. Yes, her father is an arse and her mother is useless but using such unfortunate circumstances to justify her behavior is just convenient and cowardly. If she has what it takes to be a better human than whom her birth parents ever were, then put it into real actions instead of whining about how she was born not to love or be loved.
"super star Vanness"? For my life i don't see what's so great about this guy.
oh wow serious allegations against him. Hope he had a chance to explain but it doesn't seem to be so since he claimed he didn't know why his contract was terminated.
Besides Angela and janet, i hv no clue who are the rest in Charmaine's gang. She's the only one in the gang to make it big.
I only saw Vanness in princess weiyoung and he was one note there. And I don’t feel much for his character in the trailer because it seems his acting is weak :( or I just don’t feel the emotions as it should be of a father who lost a son. Also uh, story wise - so old. The young guy, who is the doctor in charge for her son, feels guilty and try to make her happy to lessen his guilt, but fall in love with her then they found out Vanness has brain tumour? So they let the two of them get back together???? Pass lol
@karina I’m not saying she is right or wrong but sometimes it’s hard to tie one’s shoe lace! What if she couldn’t bend? If the crazy fans of ZYL is ok with her having body double left, right and centre, Tamia is ok having her assistant tie her shoe for her? Also holding someone’s drink is not a bad or slave thing? Maybe there are other thing? Like bad treatment, under pay, etc to qualify Tamia as a bad person or a diva as you put it?
I used to like Margaret Chung, but then she vanished! She is such an awesome and strong mother, bless her! Poor Charmaine, meet Chilam a bit late xD I have to say who wouldn’t fall in love with Chilam xD
Not sure if it's just me because I do feel perv look from Nathan Ngai while was watching Line Waker: Prelude and still see it in his above picture.
@snoopy True, all the others are at least in their 40's right? Those two are relatively younger compare to the others.
@cutie777 Of course the marriage wouldn't last long due to that Ron Ng swimming pool incident in mainland or hk I don't remember where now. She's a newlywed and frolicking with male costars in her sexy swimming suit? smh...sigh... What kind of husband can put up w/that? Waaa, this Charmaine Sheh is the only one single in that group.
@msxie0714 Yea, that is really ugly. I mean this Andi lady is really trash. Doesn't she know that this can cause problems to Etta too, it's not just JC. Like alot of comments in their video, they both are adults. So they can find jobs and support themselves, especially Andi who is 30 years old. I saw on Etta's IG post that they got alot of helps, especially assistance from LGBT's. They played it good using "homophobic’ parents" to get sympathy.
@hayden You can say she's lucky to have found a $$$$ hubby and love her but I would leave out the good looking? haha lol....
@karina Yea, I agree that Etta has to take responsibilities for her actions. I tried to be positive on what I said about Etta, lol. I mean I don't want to sound harsh and mean that seems like putting salt on someone's wound. But reality is reality. She needs to wake up. I feel bad for her that JC disowned her, but she's not free from her own actions too. A kid that ran away from home and insulted her own mother, to me seems very spoiled. Seeing her posts and video further made me believe that she's spoiled. No one can change your life if you don't do it yourself. Everyone has alot of * going on in their lives; she's not the only one. I hope she will see the light on her way.
@coralie Yea, Etta gave me the spoiled kid vibe. I don't want to say this, but she really did give me this vibe. And I think Anthony Wong's case and Etta's case are different. Anthony Wong didn't know who his father was and had never seen his father before (in person). He accepted his fate, basically. He just wanted to know about his root. But Etta on the other hand, she is different. She knew who her father was and that he didn't want anything to do with her. Etta caused alot of problems. She needs to wake up. We can't just say, oh she is only 18, etc. And I do think that JC need to take some responsibilities. But the man said no, so that is a no. I just hope that Etta can find her way and wake up. But sometimes, the person doesn't want to wake up and find his/her way. Hopefully, this is not what she wants.
If this is true about Nathan on his sexual harassment claims then is really wasted and sad. Cos I like him in Line Walker Prelude drama.
@bubbletea They got alot of bashes, but they also got alot of supports too because there's always 2 sides on a story. So this means that there are people who based them, there are also people who stand on their side especially Etta whom I saw alot of comments feel/sorry toward her because JC disowned her. I also don't think JC is a good father too. I just pointed out that he made it very clear where he stands. Etta didn't ask to be born, JC also didn't want to have child in the first place. Elaine made it happened (yes, both JC and Elaine are at fault). It may sound like I support JC, but no, I don't at all. Like I said, let's cut everything in the past, and look at how Etta grew up. Her surrounding and how she was raised. There are kids in this world who had it worst than her and they grew up to be better people. I do agree with you on Etta has to WAKE UP. JC doesn't want anything to do with her doesn't make the end of the world. Andi is not the person for her.
Some women are really lucky to have found good looking, rich husband and love them.
Just hope guys will not treat his daughter like how he treated other ppl's daughters in the past..
This drama looks depressing but still give it a shot as there is 2 hot actors there. Off topic, what happened to the movie Cecilia starred together with TOP of Big Bang? Seems like it was never aired.
Why no mention of Charmaine well-known good friends like Catherine Chau and Marie Chan? Anyway, I notice that Charmaine was bridesmaid in many celebrity wedding. This shows that she's good friend with many people in the industry, even though she's not in the famous cliques.
It would definitely be a waste for her to go back to TVB, a station that doesn’t care about acting talent. With her Julliard degree, she should shoot for the international film arena (doesn’t have to be Hollywood...independent films can be just as prestigious)....or perhaps try theater, which is where artists with those types of degrees usually shine — hey, you never know, she might even be able to break onto the Broadway scene, which would definitely be prestigious if she were able to land a lead role.
She still has to thank Aaron Kwok for making her even be known. I doubt anyone would know who she is if she never dated Aaron. Without being known as Aaron's girlfriend, she would probably have to go back to China and wouldn't even have the chance to meet her current husband. I think everything worked out the best for everyone.
Actually I always wonder why and how Toby Leung & Janet Chow are part of the clique...Both of them are from different era from the others...
I am surprised to see even the New Zealand media publishing articles about Etta and Jackie Chan.
Such a lovely couple. Let’s hope it’s Edwin turn to kneel down?
Aww.. she’s very pretty looked just like her mom.
I google Toby Leung and it says her father is Tommy Leung so basically she’s his daughter not niece if I’m correct? I didn’t know she left tvb already too bad her marriage didn’t last long. I didn’t notice Angela Tong has 3 daughters I thought 2 only? Yes feel sorry for Margaret Chung especially Joey cheated on her after so many together and I wonder is her husband chinese? The name doesn’t sound like one?
My heart goes out to Margaret Chung. Having a child with chromosomal issues isn't easy. And it's her first child too. She's a brave mama. I always thought she has a blissful life with her family, but I didn't know there were issues with her daughter's health. She's done a great job so far though.
A high degree sounds good and all and I respect her in actually putting time and effort to better her “craft”. Unfortunately Hollywood is racist af and doesn’t care about prestigious acting diploma also the fact she’s Asian doesn’t help. So many people make “it” young these days without talent and Fala is already 36 :/ not so sound ageist but it’s true unfortunately
I used to think she was a good person but after the leaked video of her assistant having to tie her shoes, hold her drink and basically being her slave I lost a lot of respect for her. That’s celebrity for ya.
@mangotango I don’t get comments like these.. Yeah JC is a douchebag and Etta did not ask to be born. But is she not responsible for her *own* actions as well? She runs off away with a pedophile who obviously Using her and is blinded what she believes is “love” and insults her own mother, the only parent she has that cares for her. Elaine is obviously not without fault as well. Fact is Etta is spoiled and entitled for some unexplainable reason (besides the fact she’s JC bio daughter and he doesn’t give a damn sh*t about her). Pathetic. This sounds mean but I can’t wait till she wakes up to reality. So many people have it worse than her and make their own destiny rather then trying to leech off others.
Poor Etta. She did not ask to be born. All these problems are created by others.
@hetieshou I think it was 'alleged" she married before. I would not stick by the msn if he is a cow. Loyalty is not god given. He probably earned it and she is willing to give it.
He is moving on. Cute babe
@jayne I totally agree that what Aaron said about Lynn was very insulting. She is such a classy lady. Those words were not said out of heat of the moment anger, but were said to deliberately hurt Lynn. Why?.....this statement was made during an interview, after the breakup, which had already happened for quite some time, not during an argument between Aaron and Lynn. Anyways, looks like she found her Mr right and now has a beautiful little family.
@jayne But in some ways, although it's clearly wrong of Aaron to use such verbiage, he was lashing out. It's clear he's bitter about the breakup and he's not emotionally equipped enough to be a better man. Not trying to excuse his behavior, but sometimes people say the wrong things when angry. But I'm sure Lynn isn't upset about this now. She's found a much better fit for her.
I think the HK film industry may be a good market for Fala. Casting in Hollywood film roles seems to be based on artistes’ ability to draw Mainland box office sales. Fala had some popularity in China as a TVB artiste, but that slipped away during her four years at Julliard. New Mainland dramas seem to prefer casting their own Mainland artistes in leads. Many Hong Kong artistes have been playing supporting roles in bigger productions. When they lead, the dramas may be smaller or less successful projects.
Ken Kwok sounds like such a good husband! Much better than Aaron Kwok, who likened Lynn to a pair of “bad fitting shoes” when they broke up. So insulting!
@coralie i think that it'd be a waste if she goes back to tvb. afterall, even w/o her jillard's credentials, she would have been the household name given her popularity had she stayed w/ tvb. i wonder if her acting really improved. i found her acting to be quite stone before.
i do not like the voice-overs, they make the show sound like an old people's drama although the plot is like said.
@sabrina I get what you're saying and yes, at some point before this debacle, I also complained about Etta. I do think she's spoiled. Even from her video, you can tell she feels entitled to having things just because. But even with that said, it's her right to use this publicity to want to meet her dad. If Anthony Wong can accept his deadbeat dad and hope for closure, I don't find it surprising that Etta does too, especially since he's alive and filthy rich. Considering Jaycee has similar problems that Etta has, it wouldn't surprise me either if it turns out they're genetically passed down from daddy dearest. He should take some responsibility regardless.
I honestly don't see Fala returning to TVB to film series. She didn't go all the way to prestigious Julliard's for additional opportunities at a TV station like TVB. She's aiming to become female version of Tony Leung or even higher - international markets like Hollywood. I don't anticipate seeing her on my small TV screen for a while
once you bring a bb into the world alot of things tend to change lets just hope edison has really settled down and drop the playboy life for good!!!
Vanness Wu - Yes, finally!!! He looks very good in the above promotional pic. I have never watched anything of Cecelia Cheung but she looks great too. I will keep an eye out for this even thou I don't watch mainland dramas. :)
Very happy for them and it shows that it is never too late to get married and find love in life.
I find it strange how she is so good to her current husband but abandoned her first husband. I wonder what happened? But anyways, a woman should always stick by her husband’s side no matter what. Maybe she loves her current husband but not her first husband?
Congrats Fala! Hope to see you back on screen. With the current shortage of good actresses at TVB, i do hope that the station will approach Fala for future collaborations, so that we could see familiar faces with decent/improved acting again on TV...much better than watching those inexperienced Miss HK. Since Tavia, Myolie and Linda were all married and shift their focus on their family, it will be interesting if Fala and Kate could come back to film for TVB...perhaps on a per series contract. Kate has been rather quite ever since she left TVB...not much news about her. Although her acting may not be superb, but i still remember her good performance in Highs and Lows, which to me is her remarkable performance in her acting career.
She is a good person. Strong loyalty towards family and friends.
Well done Fala! Do hope to see you in Cantonese tv show soon. Also happy to see her dating.
Sweet and heartwarming.
So happy with both of them. Their loves and lives will be a good lesson for younger people like me.
@sabrina you obviously have not been reading the threads right. Elaine got her shate of tongur lashing from commentors here at Jaynestars. Even Etta has been svolded too. Yes, we all know Jackie the jerk has made it clear he does not want anything to do with Etta. Which father in his right mind, with a conscience will turn his back on a child who did not asked to born?. Jackie is a Hong Kong billionaire, his daughter has medical and mental problems that need to be treated. She also did not ask for these issues. Regardless of the circumstances under which Elaine chose to become pregnant, a child was born. A child who deserves acknowledgement from BOTH parents, even if those parents hate each other. The fact that Jackie disowned Etta and wants nothing at all to do with her speaks volume about him as a man and human being, and it is not good. Then again, if he refused to acknowledge for years, the son he had with his wife, we can't expect Etta to be not disowned now, can we? Etta should not be going around making videos saying she is Jackie Chan's daughter. Does she not understand that the cold monster wants nothing to do with her? She and that gold digging pedophile need to go and look for work. Silly young woman needs to wake up, dump Andi and get the help she so desperately needs.
@sabrina My guess is that Etta's partner put her up to publicizing their homeless plight and that the fault was the 'homophobic' parents. The motive is getting money from JC via sympathy from the western media.
I know I might get bash for this, but I'd like to share my opinion too. Why is everyone blaming JC for everything about Etta? The guy made it clear where he stands a long time ago, and even now that he doesn't have anything to do with both Elaine and Etta. It's like we don't know each other; you live your life and I live my life. I know it must be hard for Etta to be an abandon child by her father and in the eye of paparazzi. But she has to know that she only has her mom; they only have each other. There are alot of children in this world who had it worse than Etta. A child with a father's absence doesn't mean that that child can't be a good person, grow up without being a trouble maker. Etta is at the age that she already know stuff. I heard she suffered emotional disorder or something like that? Her surrounding is really important too on how she grew up. I don't know if anyone can see the point I'm making here. And some people said that if JC involved in raising Etta, she probably wouldn't be like this. See JC's own son, Jaycee? Jaycee had alot of things going on, so I doubt it wouldn't happen to Etta too if JC involved in raising her too. And that 30 year old tutor, she is the biggest problem. Her influence and manipulating on Etta is so low. She's old enough to know what is right and wrong. Plus, she can get a job to support them, why made a video like this? Etta is at the age that she can work too. I'm just wondering if Etta wants revenge on JC. There are so many theories about the intention behind Etta's action.
What is the lastest outcome? I read the trial was yesterday??
@peanutbutterjelly at this time, there's no way to verify if the woman's condition at the time is conducive to a specific type of sperm. but I'm not eliminating the possibility. that's all I'm saying.
@littlefish It matters how they got there because it will likely affect how the kid(s) turn out, especially if the mother repeatedly makes wrong decisions (as in the case of Elaine). With that said though, I do agree that Shirley is a strong single mother, as she was able to rise above the one major mistake she made, put her past behind her, work hard to raise her daughter the best she can. The two that I feel don’t belong on this list are Isabella (for the reasons I stated above) and Cecilia, as she is by no means a struggling single mother with little to no means of support — there is plenty of family on both sides (both hers as well as Nic’s) that are more than willing to help her and of course Nic supports the kids financially, even though he’s not there physically so to me, she can’t be compared to the others on this list who are all worse off than her.
@llwy12 Haha lol... I know right.....Including Isabella Leong??? Seriously, that one is a gold-digger thru and thru. She can not be compared w/the others at all. lol..... I have no idea who the 50 year old is or Vivian Lai but the 50 yo looks really good thou. Wow... Leila Tong - She looks so young herself my goodness, no clue she got married/divorced. ahha lol....
Another classic case of if she brought it upon herself, she deserved it and therefore not a strong single mother. Doesn’t matter how she got there, it’s how she deal with it, that make her a strong single mother. If Vivian is a strong single mother, I see Shirley is just as strong.
I might get a lot of shade for what I have to say, but that is okay. I too question if Etta is a lesbian, or if she is a lesbian because the first person who showed her 'love' happens to be a lesbian, one with a manipulative, money seeking agenda, I might add. It seems that Etta does not have any friends, and because she was rejected in every way by her father, psychologically that could trigger an intense hatred towards men from Etta. Let's not forget that Etta does not have a loving relationship with her mother either. She is obviously suffering from mental issues, low self esteem, she is naive and does not have a network of friends, especially friends around her age. Here is a teenager full of self doubt, is vulnerable, naive, full of anger, sad and depressed, lonely, has no clue how the real world works and suffering from mental illness. Along comes this 30 year old woman, who has one hell of an agenda. She says the right things, probably gave her warm, gentle hugs, little gifts etc. With Etta being starved for love and affection, this seems like the real deal, this is love. Let us not forget that she is rejected by her dad, who publicly said he will not meet her, or financially support her. That alone can trigger an intense hatred towards the father and men in general. This aunty is matured and twelve years older so Etta sees a mother, sister, friend, mentor and then lover in Andi. It makes one wonder if etta had the time to really explore her own heart to discover if she truly is lesbian, or if she is conforming herself to be whatever her first love wants her to be. If Etta gets help, gets her life together and discover this is just a face, it is going to be devastating. If she is truly comfortable and authentic about her sexuality, if tf this Andi woman walks, I shudder to think what this will do to Etta. Like I said before, whatever happens, this will not end well. I believe that Andi will leave cause Jackie Jerkie is not giving etta a dime and Elaine has no money. We all know Andi is after money, and there is none coming. As for the bruises on Etta's face, I treat countless victims who have been physically abused and who have similar marks. I am just saying. One more thing, when Etta told Andi "I love you" it seemed sincere. On the other hand, when Andi said it back, it seemed so fake, shallow and lacked any real proof of love. She sounded so quiet and muffled that it was so fake and pathetic.
Please correct your typo. Lay is still very much part of EXO even though he hasn't been promoting with them in the past year and a half, the former members are Huang Zitao, Luhan and Kris Wu Yifan.
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I feel bad for Vivian & Candy (what a strong woman Candy is!). Shirley Yeung kind of brought it upon herself, but she's still a very strong mom nevertheless. It's not easy being back in the limelight after a deep personal setback.
@llwy12 unfortunately I'm not a paid subscriber and don't hv access to the full interview
Those 2 lazy people might milk some money out of the media by getting their attention, and it seems like they are successful but it will not last for long as the Western media will find bore soon if they cannot get any respond from JC. Even if they do get some info from JC, the hype will go ago. No news in the West will last forever unlike in Cbiz, the news about this child lasted for 18 years nonstop. It seems like there is not much news that will the Cbiz media keep posting and following 1 news over and over again.
@coralie The sperm, and only the sperm, determines the sex of the baby. @mangotango The proportion of sperm carrying an X chromosome increases in men above the age of 35. That’s why, statistically speaking, older men are more likely to have daughters.
@mangotango I don’t think she can sue JC for any of his fortune. She can sue him for back owed child support if there is such law in HongKong. She is not U.S citizen and neither JC, so she cannot get the help from the U.S law. As for JC’s fortune, he has the right to give it to anyone. No one has any legal right to ask for a split except for his wife.
Etta is young and capable of working. If she chooses to leave the home, then be responsible by working and not telling the whole world she is Jackie Chan's daughter. Jackie will not give way...by stirring up such attention, she is very stupid.
The only way to help Etta now is having someone to shut the media’s mouth. It was the media’s fault for not leaving her life alone from the beginning. As long as the media leave her alone, every thing will be solved. If she cannot get the attention and money, that old trash will leave her and she will come back to Elaine. The GLBT community in the West is very annoying and unreasonable. They will get offensive in all ways. However, I think the hype will not last forever as long as JC keeps quiet. The media will find something new to report. The aunty does look trashy. To be honest by looking at the way she dresses, her tatoos, I will never hire as my kid’s tutor.
@llwy12 didn't know Leila got a divorce. Vivian's ex MIL disliked her as she is a singer...doesn't match up to the status (Goldlion). Her husband cheated on her with a woman in China. Isabella never got married with Richard Li because his family didn't accept her for the lack of education.
@m0m0 actually, she married in 2002. didn't realize it was that long ago. i thought she married in 2008.
@tiffany i didn't. i guess it's b/c it was recent. i also didn't know vivian lai divorced and went through so much. i still remember her getting married not too long ago and there was a show event where to went up to perform her last song before getting married.
@iampheng I just want to say regardless if you are male or female,you had better treat your wife/ husband well or it will come back at you. Everyone will regret it when karma strikes!
Etta can be famous in her own right. Write a book, sue dad for 1/2 his fortune, be advocate for gender equality. An abandoned child make good. Should make a movie too.
@kk12345 You are welcome and do you plan on watching it? I saw some of it and it is not too bad but I am sooooo tired of remakes so not sure if I want to see it all.
@llwy12 I agree with you that the one I felt the worse for is Vivian Lai. She is and was one of my most favorite singers of all time. I spent my high school and university days listening to her songs and watching her MVs. I still remember how sad, emotional and touching it was when she had her farewell concert. However, many were so happy for her as they thought she would be happy and set for life. Sadly, life is unpredictable so you never know what can happen in life. I think that is why I feel a woman should never give up her career even after you marry since you never know what can happen. She was such a good wife and mother but yet her stupid ex husband did not know how to appreciate her. I truly admire her strength and courage to work so hard to raise her kids. I heard she did not take any money from her ex too and I find that admirable as that shows she was never a gold digger. Women like that these days are rare. I heard about her health scares too so hope she is ok. Her life is already so sad so hope that she at least has her health. So sad that she had to divorce, but am very happy to see her sing again. I thought she would never sing again but it shows us that anything in life is possible. Wish her the best! I too am shocked about Leila Tong’s divorce but that once again shows usually things are more than what meets the eye. Some people/couples may appear happy and blissful, but are they truly happy behind closed doors? You never know. I was shocked about Taiwanese actor Vincent Jiao’s divorce years ago too. He seemed to have a happy marriage with 2 daughters and all. However, one day his ex wife just suddenly wanted a divorce. His ex wife took a lot of his money and then his daughters too. He is now remarried to this other actress that he worked together several years ago and now has a son with her. It is truly fate. At least it worked out well for him in spite of having a devastating divorce. Hope things work out well for Vivian. She is truly a great mom to her children. By the way, I totally agree with you that some of these actresses should not be on this list as they get a lot of financial support like Isabella for example. The true single moms are people like Vivian Lai who truly must work hard to raise her children. I admire her very much.
@passingby The version on YT is a 1 minute excerpt...the actual interview itself was around 40 minutes or so. Not sure if the complete version is posted somewhere or not -- I listen to most of CRHK's programs as a paid subscriber via their website / app.. Yes, Carlos is very close to both his mom and dad (from what I've heard, he's a very filial son). In fact, he said it was his dad who encouraged him to film Daddy Cool because filming a TVB series would help with his name recognition...Carlos was hesitant because he had 2 movie offers around the same time but his dad said to go for it and he would help him out financially if need be (since the 2 movie offers obviously paid way better than whatever TVB was going to pay him for the series). Part 2 of the interview is worth a listen as well, since Carlos talks about his path to becoming an actor (including why he ended up abandoning singing even though he got his start by participating in a singing contest) and also what his plans are for the future...oh and there's also some "sweet talk" about his girlfriend Jennifer Yu, lol....
A few of these are questionable. Honestly, Isabella shouldn't really be on this list because her story really isn't "inspiring" -- I mean, she got together with one of the richest bachelors in HK (they never married though), got her guaranteed meal tickets for life (the 3 sons she bore him), then quickly split with the guy (if I remember correctly, their relationship only lasted like what, 4 years?)....now she's a rich single mom who most likely doesn't even take care of her 3 sons herself (doesn't matter that she and Richard split, her 3 sons are the heirs to his estate no matter what so most likely he makes sure they are well cared for). Candy I feel a little sorry for because her husband was such a jerk and so she had to come out of retirement in her late 40s/early 50s to make money all over again in order to take care of them. She seems to be doing ok though with her pictorial being so popular... Leila's split with her husband was the most shocking to me, as they seemed to have such a good, compatible relationship. And it's interesting that the reason for their split is still a secret...probably since Leila is less in the spotlight now so the media has been leaving her alone...not a bad thing I guess. The one I sympathize with the most is Vivian Lai. She did everything the right way -- retired, got married, had kids, continued to stay in touch with her entertainment industry friends by occasionally attending their concerts, events, etc, never had any rumors, was never involved in any scandals..basically, she did her part as good wife and mother and then some....yet her husband still cheated on her so she dumped him (good for her!) and has been working hard the last few years to revive her career so she can raise her 2 kids who are still relatively young (early teens?). She did have a few health scares the last few years though so I worry about her....hopefully her path will be smoother going forward...I'm continuing to root for her!
@llwy12 yes, i watched this short clip on youtube too; is there a complete version? He must be very close to his mother to tease her this way.
I have trouble believing that Jackie is not paying Elaine for Etta. Any good lawyer can file a paternity suit, forcing Jackie to undergo a DNA test and pay up. Elaine is protected by HK law no matter what Jackie said.
I didn’t know Leila is a single mom.
@m0m0 it’s not that easy. For one, it’s hk, anyone could be a tutor. For two, they are not that rich to be that picky. For three, at any time, the tutor can turn bad, who to say they can be perfect angel at all time?
@jayne :( I just hope her eyes watching Andi is for reassuring and not out of fear (I.e. being abused).
@littlefish "Again, not to say she is not, more saying she will be whatever her partner asks her to be." Very good observations which I agree with. Etta is definitely at a vulnerable age where she seeks approval and going to do whatever Andi wants her to. In their YouTube video, it's very clear that Etta's eyes watched Andi very carefully to make sure she was doing the right thing. It's going to take a long time for Etta to get hurt in all the wrong ways by Andi before she wakes up and goes back to Elaine. Etta's path really shows how isolated she is, how she really has no one in her life other than her mom. But even her bond with Elaine is very weak, seeing how she called the cops on her so quickly. If Etta had some good friends to comfort her and give good advice, she wouldn't have fallen prey to Andi.
@freerealestate That’s exactly my point. Most of the U.S. outlets are focusing only on the LGBT piece and making it sound like Etta and Andi are being discriminated against because they came out as lesbians, but those of us who know the whole story know that is far from the truth. In fact, if we peel back the layers, this whole thing with Etta technically has nothing to do with her sexual orientation at all…..but because most Westerners don’t know the whole story, they are only hearing the message that Etta and Andi are trying to convey (and no doubt both of them are trying to spin this into a “homophobia” issue).
So how did Andi become Etta's tutor. Shouldn't they have been more careful at selecting a tutor?
Yup, it’s now on the Vietnamese media outlet. Sigh >_> soon we are gonna have a drama about Etta’s life but it would not be named so or will she or JC will get any money lol >_> we all know she needs counseling , but That takes initiative, hence the “she gotta maturing it up”. First step of every problem solving is admitting to yourself you have problem and need help, this is what we called “maturing”. And I’m not doubting her sexuality, however, I partly feel that with her dad cares for Jaycee only, who is a male, by being a male, she might get more approval from daddy. Plus Asian mindset, boy is more important than girl, so again, the inclination to be gay is strong for her. Not here to berate any group, just saying sometimes sexuality is influenced by psychological factors, and in Etta, it is a strong one. And so when she gets any kind of love, she will hold on to it, and if her partner is a girl, she will be lesbian. Again, not to say she is not, more saying she will be whatever her partner asks her to be.
@llwy12 A lot of US media outlets are also only reporting things without the full facts. I'm active on other celeb gossip boards and twitter and when this news broke out a lot people were condemning Jackie and Elaine. I don't care about people now finding out Jackie is a pos cuz it's been a long time coming, but people are making this story out to look like Elaine is unsupportive about Etta's sexuality when Elaine has said she's fine with it. A majority of westerners reading this story isn't aware of the past events that led to this. They also aren't aware that Andi is 30 and used to be Etta's tutor. It's completely obvious that Andi has been manipulating Etta for the majority of their relationship. They've been dating since Etta was 17 and I think Andi took advantage of Etta being young and emotionally vulnerable due to all of her problems with her mom.
This is news in U.K. too, apparently the paper has approached JC representatives for comments.
@kolo Errr... 1 million = 1,000,000 100 million = 100,000,000 1 billion = 1,000,000,000 1.4 billion = 1,400,000,000 So 100 million is equivalent to 1/14 of China's population. In the modern era 1 billion is no longer 1 million x 1 million, which would be an astronomical figure. If China really had that large a population it would have collapsed by now.
@nomad822 I think it's inappropriate to question Etta's sexuality, you probably don't mean it as malicious but I just want to add that LGBTQ identities being denied or questioned is very harmful to the individual and community as a whole. I work/volunteer with people struggling in unfortunate circumstances too (mostly youth) but I don't think it's helpful to anyone if I present them with the fallacy of relative privation ('yes your situation is pitiful, but so-and-so has it worse than you and they turned out fine'). I understand what you're trying to say and I have seen people 'rise above' what seems to be the worse of circumstances. However, lots of factors come into play such as support form your personal social network, societal acceptance, financial/emotional stability and -yes- personality. And even so, even when finally getting their life on track, a lot still struggle with psychological issues later on in life if not dealt with properly as trauma from your formative years extends well into adulthood. From another article on Jaynestars, it seems that Elaine herself is a product of emotional abuse growing up (being called a 'worthless h*re' by her mom). It's a vicious cycle. You may think I'm being too harsh towards Elaine but I have seen enough tragedy resulting from well-intentioned-but-incompetent-parents to have hardened my stance on this issue. Good intentions don't make good parents. Caring or loving someone doesn't mean you can't hurt or abuse them. Etta never asked to be born. Elaine choose to be a mom and she doesn't get a medal from me for simply trying to be a good one.
@jayne Yup, exactly. All the media outlets over here in the U.S. that have reported on this have all stated that they reached out to Jackie as well as his company for comment, but so far neither has responded. And supposedly Etta’s video has gotten around 65,000 views so far and the number will undoubtedly shoot up now that more Western media outlets are reporting it. Also, if People magazine reached out to Etta last year when she officially “came out” with Andi, I’m sure they will probably reach out to her again with this new “homeless” situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if, the next time I go to the supermarket, Etta’s face will be staring back at me from the covers of the local gossip mags…..
@peanutbutterjelly Well-said! I think part of the reason why Etta is reaching out using social media, Youtube, etc. is because she can reach a wider audience that may be more sympathetic to how she’s feeling, since she’s obviously not going to get that type of support in HK due to everyone already knowing the lowdown about her parents. I was reading through some of the articles from media outlets here in the U.S. and the way they’re reporting the issue is definitely different from the way the HK media has been doing it. Even when Etta came out last year as a lesbian and was introducing Andi as her girlfriend via social media, the reports in HK were more negative and cynical, focusing on Andi’s age and background and how she’s a bad influence on Etta (all of which are true actually), whereas over here in the U.S., the focus from the media is more on the LGBTQ angle is and more along the lines of “this is yet another example of how Asian nations are too conservative and unaccepting of the LGBTQ community.” Etta seems to share this same mindset because in a People magazine interview last year, she claimed that people around the world “are rooting for her and Andi” yet in HK, people mock her and no one supports their relationship. Obviously Etta’s mindset is flawed but at the same time, it IS true that the narrative in the West is different because they don’t have the same background on the issue that most of us do in HK (case in point – I asked a few of my non-Chinese friends here in the U.S. who only know of Jackie Chan but don’t know his background and after they read the reports in the local papers, their reaction has primarily been two-fold: 1) they sympathize with Etta and Andi’s plight and think their friends and family are being heartless by not helping them, and 2) HK is too old-fashioned if they are still unwilling to accept a lesbian relationship in this day and age.) Perhaps this is why they went to Canada – they are probably thinking that the Western world will be more accepting of their “sob story” for one, and two, no one will condemn Andi for taking advantage of Etta because majority of non-Chinese (or should I say non-Hong Kongers) don’t know the full story….
@llwy12 With Etta posting the video in English, it was a matter of time before American media outlets pick up on the story. "Regardless of which direction this eventually goes in, one thing’s for sure – it’s not going to end well at all…." It's humiliating for all involved. If Jackie Chan doesn't respond to American media inquiries, maybe they will find Etta first and she will agree to sell her story to the media.
@peanutbutterjelly I think you assessed Etta's situation very well. She was emotionally vulnerable because of father's abandonment and lack of close bond with mother and fell for Andi's attention. Andi, being older, can easily provide the affection and attention that Etta craves. In the YouTube video, Etta was reading off papers. She claims that she did so because of PTSD, but it may also be Andi who wrote the script and told Etta to read off it. In the middle of the video, Etta does look at Andi for approval. Etta calls Elaine a "homophobic parent". Initially when Etta and Andi's romance started, Elaine said she was open to Etta exploring her sexuality as long as she was happy. Elaine may not necessarily be against Etta being a lesbian, but rather that she is dating a dishonest and manipulative person.
@ peanutbutter jelly: Etta's message is sad. And bec she has such low self-esteem, it's easy to fall into vulnerable abusive relationships, where folks can totally read and manipulate her. Even whether she really is LGBT or so inclined, is quite questionable. But ANY critcism (even if well-meaning folks in HK like her mom or mom's friends) is the surest way to push her further away It's no easy feat being JC's kid, and with the world knowing that. However I'd also say ... there are folks who have been born under far worse circumstances and parents ... and who have risen above scumbag fathers and druggie mothers. A couple of those are my clients. Dwelling on what CANNOT be changed, is not helpful to self. Rather, use all those setbacks to empower. Whether alcoholic or not - at least her mom cared enough to raise her, while dealing with her own issues. Easy enough to fob her off to some auntie in China, which some stars supposedly do, to pretend they have no kids/kids sired out of wedlock or whatever. It's frustrating, and part of my frustration working with families (esp with an Asian mindset and culture) Canada will NOT be able to do anything with her - in addition to the fact she's not even PR. She's 18, her partner is 30. 18 (though a kid in many cases) is considered adult and free to make own decisions here - in fact BS Housing (subsidized) will even encourage her to move out. And Shelters are hardly the safe havens people think they are. Put a whole bunch of women with issues together and watch how they also prey on other residents in there s'times. Esp the hardcore ones.
I kinda of feel bad for Elaine once an artist not a popular one though and thinking getting with Jackie she hit the jackpot however that wasnt gonna happen ........bringing in the daughter to this world having her to grow up surrounded my media and becoming rebeliious............. This women Andi pure trash how the hell you gonna be 30yrs old and dont have savings nor a roof under your head I bet she convince etta to make this video sigh............come one Etta wake up go back to HK with your mom
After a glimpse of Etta's psyche through her social media it's not hard to see how she became so devoted to Andi. Here is what Etta wrote for anyone interested: "After all these years of negativity, living in shame and being afraid of the world I've come to the conclusion that it's easier to accept that I am never meant to love or be loved. Especially as a lesbian in a culturally sensitive society I would be doing my family a favour staying hidden, silent, sit and behave like I've been instructed all my life. but Then you (Andi) came along and proved me wrong, I deserved to be happy, love and be loved." I know she's technically an adult right now and has to be responsible for her own actions but I just can't see Etta as anything but a victim throughout everything her whole life, in every sense of the word. From being the target of gossip the moment she was born, the turbulent relationship with her alcoholic and emotionally neglectful mother, stigmatization of her sexuality by the society she lives in on top of everything, and now the apparently the only time she ever felt loved is through manipulation by this person who's almost twice her age. All by the time she's barely 18. I feel for Etta and hope she gets help. Years of abuse and lack of self worth are not things that can be solved by simply 'maturing'. She needs counseling by people who, not only have good intentions but also the capability to provide guidance for her.
@littlefish Agree that this Andi character is nothing more than a low-life piece of garbage. It’s obvious that she is deliberately exploiting Etta and taking advantage of the fact that she is mentally unstable and so her vulnerabilities are easily manipulated. How sick and pathetic! The sad part is that it does look Andi’s “tactics” are working because international media outlets have already started reporting on Jackie Chan’s daughter being homeless (I saw news reports about this from local stations here in the U.S. as well as in various papers / media outlets such as Variety, Hollywood Reporter, New York Times, LA Times, Fox News, Huffington Post, etc.). Regardless of which direction this eventually goes in, one thing’s for sure – it’s not going to end well at all….
So many parts of this story just seems so disjointed. 1) Why are they looking for JC in Canada? They have a greater chance of finding him in China or HK or US. 2) Etta stated she's in Canada to look for JC and states she's JC's daughter in the clip. Is she doing this for publicity and hoping that the message gets to JC? I wouldn't be surprised if so - Elaine probably forbade Etta from reaching out to her dad. Now that she's in another country and free from Elaine's rules, she's seeking him out. Alternatively, Andi might be feeding this to Etta to persuade her to get help from Jackie, so they can financial support from him. 3) Andi & Etta's statements don't match up to reality - are they lying to get money or housing? What are they expecting? This whole story is a mess and all over the place. I kind of want to drop this whole debacle until they get themselves sorted.
Uh, this person is just trash! Trash, garbage, despicable person, I can’t stand her, I hope the netizens roast her good, but I hope that Etta don’t get abused too much, that girl needs to grow up, fast!
@jjwong seriuously pre-me is no joke. they'd probably blame it again on the age of the parents..... you're right, east asian people only think about having boys all they long. some women only live to bare a son and do everything to make sure their sons bare a son.... how sad.
@passingby LOL….yea, same for me – Carlos is one of the few actors that I took an immediate liking to as well, except it was back in 2016 when I started really noticing him after watching Happiness (I kind of knew who he was from the few HKTV series he was in, but his roles didn’t really stand out enough at the time for me to notice). Yes, agreed that he definitely comes across as very genuine and humble, though I would also use the word “cute” to describe him as well, lol. He actually did an interview with CRHK last week (as part of Daddy Cool promotion) and it was such fun hearing him describe his experience filming the series. Apparently, he said that he and his mom (he referred to her as “my ma-ma” which I thought was really sweet, lol) are huge fans of Wayne – the two of them watch TV together a lot and he said because his mom is a fan, he grew up watching Wayne’s series and has seen practically everything that he’s been in….so of course, finally getting the chance to work with Wayne in this series was a huge deal for him…he said that in the 10 years that he has been acting, his mom never once asked to visit him on set, but this time around, when he was filming for Daddy Cool, his mom would constantly try to make up an excuse to visit (like she would make soup and want to take it to him, haha)…he refused to let her visit though because he knew she would just “fangirl” over Wayne and he didn’t want to bother him (lol…it was so cute the way he described it – it’s obvious his parents are important to him, as he mentioned them often during the interview). I’m glad Carlos is getting so much recognition for his performance, as he’s one who definitely deserves it in my opinion!
@sugarcane i am not sure either. perhaps it's too provocative for the hk audiences? i think rebecca looks great in the pic above.
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There's no doubt Jerkie hates this mother-daughter pair. Being the male chauvinist pig that he is who treats women as nothing but playthings to satisfy his lust, i think Elaine would have better luck in getting some sort of support from him if Etta had been a boy. Too bad for this wanna-be gold digger that she gave birth to a girl. Etta better wake up to the fact that her dad wants nothing to do with them and stop expecting a handout just becos she's Jerkie's daughter.
@cassiemissy A testament to how crunchy it is because of how much caramel is on it. Yum.
I think asking people to keep quiet just because he was eating nachos loudly (and come on, how loud can that be?) is rude. If you can't stand people munching on food sort of sounds, rent the dvd and go home. If he can't stand this, I am looking forward to hear his reaction with children crying, telephone ringing, handphone lights on in dark cinema, person coughing non stop, people sitting with legs on their chairs (yes it happens), spoilers talker, people who scream or laugh at inappropriate times (a girl next to me laughed hysterically when a character was pitifully killed during WWII by enemies and you wonder, where's her brain?), people coming in late, people going to toilets, people snoring, legs shaking, people eating smelly food (not bought at cinema kiosk), hands over limit on the arm of the chair, etc. In all these, nachos is a small small problem and if he doesn't have patience for that small small problem, it speaks volumes about that person. And I speak from experience because I watch movies at cinema every weekend. He can rent the entire place. Now assuming the munching was loud, and I've eaten nachos before, it isn't that loud. The smell of the cheese is stronger but hey, cinemas sell those, if you don't like, tell cinemas to stop selling them. People don't go there to just watch a film. They go there to have a good day, including letting go of their diet and all. I don't think he was necessarily rude in tone, but I do think he should have exercised discretion in when and how or even the need to voice his opinion. If the guy was talking loudly over the phone (classic such as "I am in the cinema.. I mean I AM IN THE CINEMA... CINEMA.... CINEMAAAA"), or phone suddenly ringing, please punch that guy. I almost wanted to punch the girl laughing hysterically at the sad death scene. And there was a time someone took of their shoes, like as if the cinema is their sofa at home. Or some chilldren loudly saying "MOMMY WHAT IS HE SAYING?? MOMMY!!!! MOMMYYYYYYYYYYY". Or even take a baby into cineme to watch Aliens Covenant. Ben, just let it be. Other side may overreact and you end up in bad publicity. Even if you are in the right, it is a very small problem. Oh great thing. I was watching A Quiet Place, almost couldn't bring myself to munch on popcorn. Wait! He was watching Infinity war right? That movie is so loud at every scene. Maybe the nacho munching guy was THAT loud.
@vodka well said.
Leave that Andi and go home and find a job!
@passingby Unfortunately, I can't post all the links because there are too many (5 articles total from HK01 alone) and it will cause my comment to get banned. I'm only including the link to the latest article, which is the one from yesterday (4/28) where Ben gives a final response on the matter (his final response is technically in response to the chip guy's follow up post as well as HK01 interview). Fortunately though, when you click into the article, right at the top (underneath the picture), there are links to the other 4 articles related to this issue: the original one as translated above that brought the issue to light in the first place; the one recapping Ah Ning's (CRHK DJ) response; the one "recapping" Jan Lamb's analysis from his radio show (though this one it's best to listen to the actual program because the recap is kind of hard to understand and doesn't do it justice); and the chip guy's follow up post on social media as well as his exclusive interview with HK01. Luckily all the articles except the radio show recap one include screenshots of the original posts from the various artists' FB pages so you can read directly what they wrote rather than the articles' paraphrased versions....(btw, I chose to post the HK01 version because that's the only media outlet that actually made the effort to recap everything in detail, including screenshots of social media as well as backlinks to previous articles -- other media outlets wrote about the issue as well, but none of them were as organized as HK01 was)... Here's the link: https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99%82%E5%A8%9B%E6%A8%82/183119/%E5%BE%A9%E4%BB%87%E8%80%85%E8%81%AF%E7%9B%9F3-%E8%A2%81%E5%81%89%E8%B1%AA%E7%B5%82%E6%A5%B5%E5%9B%9E%E6%87%89-%E5%BB%BA%E8%AD%B0%E5%8F%AF%E8%87%AA%E5%B7%B1pm%E8%87%AA%E5%B7%B1%E7%84%B6%E5%BE%8C%E6%AF%94like
@llwy12 can I hv the link to those posts pl?
I too get irritated by inconsiderate people who eat nonstop in cinemas. The munching and rustling of chips bags can get really annoying if the person is seated near or next to you. Ben's version is that he asked politely. I think there's nothing wrong with that. However the other guy's version was that Ben asked him to keep quiet in a rude tone. Whose version is the real version only the 2 parties know.
@cassiemissy looks like a nice house or apt background as well...BS....not homeless but definitely losers.
They need to get a jobs lmao!
The more news about this the more it makes you hate Jackie Chan... i'm glad I haven't supported he movies in recent years it's been trash and he a trash.
@iampheng @janet72 - Thumbs up! Share the damn chores welcome to the world of "equality" ? Thank him in your own home, no need to announce to the world. haha lol.... I feel only the older generation would feel that it's TOTALLY fine that only women should do more housework. BS....It's the 21st century, men and women should share the work equally if they both work.
Getting accepted into Harvard pre college is pretty much the equivalent of a community college kid taking a course there and puts down Harvard on his resume. Point is, this is not the same as actually getting accepted or graduate from Harvard. This program is designed for kids with $$, basically an expensive summer camp. People don't realize the difference.
What's wrong with recycling pole dancing? It's just another item on the endless list of things TVB recycles... the "working class employee" isn't exactly a novelty either, and nobody is complaining about that. And doesn't Rebecca have a background in dancing? That would explain her ease and flexibility in the role. People have noted similarities between her and Fala's appearances in the past, so it'll be interesting to see how they compare and contrast in the role.
@hetieshou Totally agree with you. That is the right attitude for Etta to overcome her obstacles and cherish her mother who is her only immediate family. Work hard and get herself a job or go back to school. Her future will be a lot better than to ask for financial help from that Jerky Chan.
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377. Update: Gavin Gao’s Lawyers Ask for More Evidence in Assault Case
378. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
379. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
380. Cecilia Cheung, Vanness Wu’s “Love Won’t Wait” to Air in May
381. Nathan Ngai Let Go from TVB Amid Sexual Harassment Accusations
382. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
383. Cecilia Cheung, Vanness Wu’s “Love Won’t Wait” to Air in May
384. Tamia Liu Stands by Husband Through Financial Debts and Depression
385. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
386. Nathan Ngai Let Go from TVB Amid Sexual Harassment Accusations
387. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
388. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
389. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
390. Lynn Hung Married Dream Husband Generous with Money and Love
391. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
392. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
393. Nathan Ngai Let Go from TVB Amid Sexual Harassment Accusations
394. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
395. Lynn Hung Married Dream Husband Generous with Money and Love
396. Edison Chen on Fatherhood: “I’m Starting to Feel Old”
397. Cecilia Cheung, Vanness Wu’s “Love Won’t Wait” to Air in May
398. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
399. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
400. Lynn Hung Married Dream Husband Generous with Money and Love
401. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
402. Etta Ng Was Homeless and Slept Under Bridge in Canada
403. Chan Wing Chun Prepares for July Wedding
404. Edison Chen on Fatherhood: “I’m Starting to Feel Old”
405. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
406. All You Need to Know About Charmaine Sheh and Her Squad
407. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
408. Tamia Liu Stands by Husband Through Financial Debts and Depression
409. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
410. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
411. Tamia Liu Stands by Husband Through Financial Debts and Depression
412. Edison Chen on Fatherhood: “I’m Starting to Feel Old”
413. Lynn Hung Married Dream Husband Generous with Money and Love
414. Lynn Hung Married Dream Husband Generous with Money and Love
415. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
416. Lynn Hung Married Dream Husband Generous with Money and Love
417. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
418. Cecilia Cheung, Vanness Wu’s “Love Won’t Wait” to Air in May
419. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
420. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
421. Edison Chen on Fatherhood: “I’m Starting to Feel Old”
422. Cecilia Cheung, Vanness Wu’s “Love Won’t Wait” to Air in May
423. Chan Wing Chun Prepares for July Wedding
424. Tamia Liu Stands by Husband Through Financial Debts and Depression
425. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
426. Tamia Liu Stands by Husband Through Financial Debts and Depression
427. Chan Wing Chun Prepares for July Wedding
428. Fala Chen Graduates from Juilliard; Will Return to Work Full-Time
429. Chan Wing Chun Prepares for July Wedding
430. Chan Wing Chun Prepares for July Wedding
431. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
432. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
433. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
434. Gavin Gao Refused Bail; Evidence for Sexual Assault is Sufficient
435. Leon Lai Welcomes Birth of Daughter
436. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
437. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
438. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
439. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
440. Lay Zhang Eats Grass on “Go Fighting”
441. Lay Zhang Eats Grass on “Go Fighting”
442. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
443. Carlos Chan Embarrassed by Gay Love Scenes in His Old Movie, “For Love, We Can”
444. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
445. Leon Lai Welcomes Birth of Daughter
446. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
447. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
448. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
449. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
450. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
451. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
452. Pregnant Linda Chung Thanks Husband for Cleaning the House
453. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
454. “The Legend of the Condor Heroes” Novels Get English Translation
455. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
456. Carlos Chan Embarrassed by Gay Love Scenes in His Old Movie, “For Love, We Can”
457. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
458. Carlos Chan Embarrassed by Gay Love Scenes in His Old Movie, “For Love, We Can”
459. Jackie Chan Won’t Give a Cent to Help Elaine Ng
460. Beautiful and Strong: Single Moms in HK Entertainment
461. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
462. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
463. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
464. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
465. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
466. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
467. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
468. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
469. “Flying Tiger” Surpasses 100 Million Views Within 1 Hour of Release
470. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
471. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
472. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
473. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
474. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
475. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
476. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
477. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
478. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
479. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
480. Etta Ng’s Girlfriend Just Wants Money
481. Leon Lai Welcomes Birth of Daughter
482. Carlos Chan Embarrassed by Gay Love Scenes in His Old Movie, “For Love, We Can”
483. Netizens Unimpressed with TVB’s Recycled Pole Dancing
484. “The Legend of the Condor Heroes” Novels Get English Translation
485. Benjamin Yuen Gets in Heated “Nachos Dispute” at Movie Theater
486. Jackie Chan Won’t Give a Cent to Help Elaine Ng
487. Benjamin Yuen Gets in Heated “Nachos Dispute” at Movie Theater
488. Benjamin Yuen Gets in Heated “Nachos Dispute” at Movie Theater
489. Jackie Chan Won’t Give a Cent to Help Elaine Ng
490. Etta Ng Was Homeless and Slept Under Bridge in Canada
491. Benjamin Yuen Gets in Heated “Nachos Dispute” at Movie Theater
492. Benjamin Yuen Gets in Heated “Nachos Dispute” at Movie Theater
493. Benjamin Yuen Gets in Heated “Nachos Dispute” at Movie Theater
494. Etta Ng Was Homeless and Slept Under Bridge in Canada
495. Etta Ng Was Homeless and Slept Under Bridge in Canada
496. Jackie Chan Won’t Give a Cent to Help Elaine Ng
497. Pregnant Linda Chung Thanks Husband for Cleaning the House
498. Eva Huang’s Step-daughter Accepted into Harvard Pre-college
499. Netizens Unimpressed with TVB’s Recycled Pole Dancing
500. Jackie Chan Won’t Give a Cent to Help Elaine Ng